USA Trade Deal Under Threat

bear66

Well-known member
#22
The Good Friday Agreement was cross party and international between two sovereign countries, so what has "the Republican side of the discussion" got to do with it?

Did you read my earlier post?

There are 2 sides to this issue - republican and unionist. Do you think the Unionists would be happy if the EU and UK do not come up with a new alternative should "no deal" happen, since it appears to be a no deal scenario that creates the issue with the WA. The fear seems to be that a border on the island would set off trouble from the Republicans, what about the risk of setting off trouble from the Unionist side?
The aren't two sides to this, as above.
 

Lefty

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#23
2 issues for me -

1) Until the full outcome of all the negotiations are finalised, the relevant agreements/treaties updated then it means nothing
2) Various people pop up at various times in the USA to make comment. Has these been put to a vote in congress, and do they speak for all? Does the opinion of 4 people who may or may not have an ulterior motive (at least 3 appear to represent the Republican side of the discussion) represent the opinion of the whole of congress?
I wouldn't say a Government drafting the wording of a bill in such a way is worth 'nothing'. It's EXTRAORDINARY and it has been voted through to the committee stage.
 

1finny

Well-known member
#24
No argument, it's just a good debate to have in my opinion, especially since I can't bring myself to talk about the diabolical football right now.
In the end all that will matter (if push comes to shove) is whether there are enough votes in the senate (assuming it has to be ratified there) to get any deal passed.
If I was to hyothesise it would have to be a compelling deal for the USA to persuade those against
 
#25
Would it be beyond the realms of impossibility that the US are watching Johnson make a complete **** of the Brexit situation, and see their chance to give themselves even more bargaining power by creating mock indignation at breaking international law, threatening to pull the plug on any future deal so Johnson has basically no bargaining power when the talks for a trade deal kick off? USA want their grubby fingers into the Pharma provision worth billions, so they are not going to refuse to talk deals over something which pretty much does not affect them on an international stage at all.
 

r00fie1

Well-known member
#26
Would it be beyond the realms of impossibility that the US are watching Johnson make a complete **** of the Brexit situation, and see their chance to give themselves even more bargaining power by creating mock indignation at breaking international law, threatening to pull the plug on any future deal so Johnson has basically no bargaining power when the talks for a trade deal kick off? USA want their grubby fingers into the Pharma provision worth billions, so they are not going to refuse to talk deals over something which pretty much does not affect them on an international stage at all.
Correct(y)
 

dooderooni

Well-known member
#27
As many, many of us FMTTM plebs famously said, the GFA would be an issue and so it turns out.
Leave never gave it a thought when campaigning, but it must have been part of the plan to screw it over once they'd obtained the mandate to "get Brexit done".
That it could scupper a US UK trade deal should be third on our list of problems.
At the top should be the potential impact on Ireland, second should be the fact that the British voting public was manipulated and thirdly comes this trade deal threat.
Fecking charlatans who somehow still manage to maintain support from people who still don't get that they voted this government in against their own best interests.
 

Lefty

Well-known member
#30
'NI secretary Brandon Lewis refuses to commit UK to accepting outcome of any dispute resolution process with EU under NI protocol -

Given every substantial trade and investment treaty that the UK will be seeking to sign as a post-Brexit 'independent' nation will have dispute resolution procedures... ...cannot easily overstate the grave seriousness of this refusal to give a commitment The world is watching'

David Allan Green
 

Lefty

Well-known member
#31
NI Secretary Brandon Lewis: We are negotiating in good faith with EU

Deputy Leader of the Alliance Party Stephen Farry: "How can you negotiate in good faith if you are already threatening to breach what has already been agreed?"

Quite.

This whole Brexit process has been a fascinatingly revealing psychological experiment, especially given the huge sample size. It certainly means we should be less sneering at the 1920's early 1930's German people for finding themselves where they did in 1945. It starts with having certain biases, emotions and grievances, that translates to being too eager to believe something that chimes with those emotions and then continues through the continual process of post hoc rationalising as a coping method for cognitive dissonance.
 

Lefty

Well-known member
#33
President of the Commission in her State of the Union speech to the European Parliament today quotes Margaret Thatcher: ‘Britain does not break Treaties. It would be bad for Britain, bad for relations with the rest of the world, and bad for any future Treaty on trade’.

The reason Thatcher negotiated so hard and so well at Fountainbleu was because she took international legal obligations seriously, and she secured an astonishingly good deal for UK which bound the EC (now EU)

Some of her MPs wanted her to withhold EC budget contributions to force other leaders' hands, but she refused.

I'm finding more and more things to respect about Margaret Thatcher, which makes me even more scathing of Johnson and co.
 

Liamo

Well-known member
#40
From the 4 congressmen who signed the letter 2 are, or were, IRA sympathisers with a dubious record in the area and one was a close friend of Martin McGuinness.
I'm not sure what difference that's supposed to make. What's more important is that two of them are in charge of two of the most powerful and important House Committees (Foreign Affairs and Ways & Means) when it comes to US foreign trade agreements.

If the chairmen of these two committees say a US-UK trade deal is in jeopardy because of this issue, I think that has to be taken seriously.
 
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