I know, it's unbelievable isn't it, in the NE of England of all places, home of the Jarrow marches, victims par excellence of Thatcher's scorched earth, to hear people with no understanding of history and the rights and freedoms they enjoy having been won through collective action?
Unions getting greedy now
- Thread starter Brian Marwood
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Facts are irrelevant to the types of idiot seen on these threads. They are only susceptible to having their troll-like sense of grievance and indignation pumped by their right-wing echo chambers (which they think are about sharing cute memes about riding choppers in the 70s but are actually gateway-drug portals backed by billionaires). They're too stupid/lazy to understand a graph like that in any case.
Borobuddah
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Some idiots just soak up the capitalist‘money trick’
See The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists
See The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists
Merrykoala
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We've got this all backwards.
We should give all of our money to Billionaires and trust them to distribute it fairly. We'd only spend it on flat screens and scratchcards anyway.
The rich can be trusted with all the money because they earned it through bloody hard work and pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.
We should give all of our money to Billionaires and trust them to distribute it fairly. We'd only spend it on flat screens and scratchcards anyway.
The rich can be trusted with all the money because they earned it through bloody hard work and pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.
Lemmy_kilmister
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We (Royal Fleet Auxiliary) have been in dispute for almost a year now. Even though we do the same job, wear the same uniform and take the same level of risk that the RN does, they get paid more than we do. We find ourselves increasingly taking on more and more of RN tasking as they currently can't do it.
We've had in real terms, a 30% reduction in pay over the last 14 years.
Their last and final offer so they say is 6.5% plus a £1000 one off payment (taxable) plus 3% short-hand pay ( due to severe gapping and retention problems - personnel are leaving in droves - we're now down to six ships) back dated to July to run for 12 months only.
However to facilitate this, we lose our travel vouchers and our shared bonus scheme which adds up to about £1500. They're calling it 'reallocation', which means we're funding our own pay rise .
If we don't accept it, they say they will impose a 5% pay rise and thats final.(i don't think that's actually lawful)
Needless to say after the Maritime Trade union members were balloted there was a 94% rejection. If they left the bonus and vouchers alone, it may have been accepted. But why should we pay for our own pay rise?
There's a big Carrier deployment next year and the MOD is shıtting itself in case we carry out more industrial action. No RFA ships - no refuelling, water, food or stores for the aircraft carrier.
To give us a decent rise the RMT say it'd take £10m. Might sound a lot, but when the countries defence budget is £54 billion, it's a drop in the ocean (no pun intended).
The MTUs have stayed strong, and membership has increased. We're not asking for a lot, just parity. We're certainly not being greedy. We won't be walked over again.
We've had in real terms, a 30% reduction in pay over the last 14 years.
Their last and final offer so they say is 6.5% plus a £1000 one off payment (taxable) plus 3% short-hand pay ( due to severe gapping and retention problems - personnel are leaving in droves - we're now down to six ships) back dated to July to run for 12 months only.
However to facilitate this, we lose our travel vouchers and our shared bonus scheme which adds up to about £1500. They're calling it 'reallocation', which means we're funding our own pay rise .
If we don't accept it, they say they will impose a 5% pay rise and thats final.(i don't think that's actually lawful)
Needless to say after the Maritime Trade union members were balloted there was a 94% rejection. If they left the bonus and vouchers alone, it may have been accepted. But why should we pay for our own pay rise?
There's a big Carrier deployment next year and the MOD is shıtting itself in case we carry out more industrial action. No RFA ships - no refuelling, water, food or stores for the aircraft carrier.
To give us a decent rise the RMT say it'd take £10m. Might sound a lot, but when the countries defence budget is £54 billion, it's a drop in the ocean (no pun intended).
The MTUs have stayed strong, and membership has increased. We're not asking for a lot, just parity. We're certainly not being greedy. We won't be walked over again.
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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Have a look at what wages would be had rises matched inflation since the 1970's.
Has Rob moved to a system of rage-baiting payments for @Brian Marwood ? OP is gobsmacking. I can't abide injustice, and one of the worst injustices is not paying workers a proper wage. Not paying an inflation matching pay rise when inflation is high as it 'fuels inflation' and not paying one above inflation when inflation is low as it is 'above the cost of living'. Perfect management codswallop.
Merrykoala
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The rich have always manipulated the poor into denigrating institutions and ideas that will better their lot in life.
ThePrisoner
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Definitely a tactic to distract from last night's **** show at Leeds. Use the players wages to fund nurses!
chickenrunner
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Unfortunately too many people in the UK know the answer to your question. Millions of workers are in insecure work with minimal rights, uncertain income and no representation. Hopefully we'll see the back of zero hours contracts but there are hundreds of thousands 'falsely self-employed' in the gig economy who have been stripped of any employment rights whatsoever and struggle to make the minimum wage for the hours they put in. No business should be allowed to operate such an employment model exclusively.
Whilst I'm happy to see unions securing pay rises for their members when you get your next takeaway or parcel delivered just remember who the truly exploited workforce are.
SCG
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No you’ve got it wrong, listen to Norfolk Red we should give it all to Veterans.
Put the fishing rod away Bri
Uwefuchs
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I work in the public sector and my wage has risen by 26% in the last 10 years. Meanwhile inflation has risen by 56% in the same period.
I'm lucky in a way that my wages have gone up so much as a lot of the public sectors wage rises have been far lower.
I'm 30% worse off than I was 10 years ago without a union that would be far worse. It's only because of having a union that many of us have won the payrises we have. We are annually offered a pay freeze which then usually rises by a few percent after months of negotiation.
One criticism I'd make of many public sector unions is that they've been too timid and haven't gone on strike enough.
I'm lucky in a way that my wages have gone up so much as a lot of the public sectors wage rises have been far lower.
I'm 30% worse off than I was 10 years ago without a union that would be far worse. It's only because of having a union that many of us have won the payrises we have. We are annually offered a pay freeze which then usually rises by a few percent after months of negotiation.
One criticism I'd make of many public sector unions is that they've been too timid and haven't gone on strike enough.
sherlock
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A big part of the reason for that is the Tory government changing the law on thresholds for strike action, meaning the unions aren't getting the required mandate for action. Once that happens there is little they can do.
Labour have talked about reversing that change, I'm hoping they follow through with that.
Borobuddah
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And yet we and our unions are guilty of greed
Merrykoala
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How exactly?
r00fie1
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Shedding Experienced, Qualified Nurses whilst expanding privatisation:
Because of that, many experienced Nurses [Band 5+] have left the profession and either returned to the "bank", which means more pressure on newly qualified, less experienced, staff. That's why there is a huge number of unfilled nursing vacancies. According to the RCN there is a shortfall of almost 45,000 qualified nurses in the NHS. Bands 5 and 6 constitute the majority of nursing staff, expected to work 24/7 52 weeks of the year.
Newly qualified are expected to pay up to £9K per year for 3 years for their qualifying degree, complete placements during that period, complete a 10,000-word dissertation and work to pay their bills at the same time. Potential Nurses with young families are expected to pay for child-care, which isn't available if you work shifts.
On a nurse's wage, child-care costs make going into the profession prohibitive. Newly qualified Nurses leave University owing at least £27,000 and many owe much more. David Cameron abolished the bursary available to new trainees and sold off all local Nurse-training colleges, handing the profits to privatised Universities. The Bursaries available today are miniscule and hardly cover travel and uniform costs.
Brexit meant the exit of consultants, nurses and qualified clinicians, abroad, where working conditions are more conducive to maintaining a healthy, dedicated, workforce. People will only get dragged down the hole for so long, with Governments exploiting the good-will of those who have chosen a nursing career. But the straw has broken the camel's back and the money is going into private global healthcare companies: look closely at Streetings plans and who supports him:
[btw: he's not the only Government Minister, who has received "Support" from private global "healthcare" corporations.]
"Just follow them money..........."
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How private health has invested in Wes Streeting
More than 60% of the registered donations accepted by the health secretary come from people and companies linked to private health. But are they expecting a return?
By Max Colbert
23rd October 2024.
Along with his plans for weight-loss jabs and AI-powered diagnostics, Wes Streeting has declared that his prescription for the NHS is “investment and reform”. But what kind of reform has the new health secretary got in mind?
Good Law Project research shows that more than 60% of the money invested in the new health secretary since he entered parliament in 2015 has come from companies and individuals with links to private health.
According to the electoral commission, the largest contribution to Streeting’s political project has come from MPM Connect and OPD Group Ltd, two companies controlled by the recruitment executive Peter Hearn, which have given the Ilford North MP a total of £144,900.
According to EveryDoctor, Hearn’s companies work with “senior NHS executive recruitment and helps private sector providers recruit healthcare professionals”. Hearn also invested a further £40,000 in Streeting between 2017 and 2019 in a personal capacity.
Next on the list is John Armitage, a hedge fund manager reported to have interests worth more than $500m in United Health – the largest healthcare insurer in the US. Armitage has bankrolled Streeting, including for “staffing costs”, to the tune of £95,000 since 2022.
The health secretary has also taken £13,500 from Sir Trevor Chinn, a senior advisor to a firm holding investments in several private health companies, and £13,000 from Kevin Craig, whose political consultancy advises a Swiss-French firm that provides temporary staff to the NHS, as well as £5,000 from Red Capital Ltd, a company controlled by Lord Jonathan Mendelsohn – a sitting director at private healthcare company the Europa Healthcare Group.
A total of £311,400 has been funnelled from these companies and individuals towards a politician who has staunchly defended the use of private healthcare to bring down NHS waiting lists.
For Jo Maugham, executive director of Good Law Project, these donations raise a series of difficult questions.
“Everyone who cares about the future of the NHS will want to know why so much of the donations Wes Streeting discloses comes from those connected to private healthcare,” Maugham said. “What do they think their money buys? And why is Streeting such a vigorous advocate for private sector involvement in the NHS?”
goodlawproject.org
By Max Colbert
23rd October 2024.
Along with his plans for weight-loss jabs and AI-powered diagnostics, Wes Streeting has declared that his prescription for the NHS is “investment and reform”. But what kind of reform has the new health secretary got in mind?
Good Law Project research shows that more than 60% of the money invested in the new health secretary since he entered parliament in 2015 has come from companies and individuals with links to private health.
According to the electoral commission, the largest contribution to Streeting’s political project has come from MPM Connect and OPD Group Ltd, two companies controlled by the recruitment executive Peter Hearn, which have given the Ilford North MP a total of £144,900.
According to EveryDoctor, Hearn’s companies work with “senior NHS executive recruitment and helps private sector providers recruit healthcare professionals”. Hearn also invested a further £40,000 in Streeting between 2017 and 2019 in a personal capacity.
Next on the list is John Armitage, a hedge fund manager reported to have interests worth more than $500m in United Health – the largest healthcare insurer in the US. Armitage has bankrolled Streeting, including for “staffing costs”, to the tune of £95,000 since 2022.
The health secretary has also taken £13,500 from Sir Trevor Chinn, a senior advisor to a firm holding investments in several private health companies, and £13,000 from Kevin Craig, whose political consultancy advises a Swiss-French firm that provides temporary staff to the NHS, as well as £5,000 from Red Capital Ltd, a company controlled by Lord Jonathan Mendelsohn – a sitting director at private healthcare company the Europa Healthcare Group.
A total of £311,400 has been funnelled from these companies and individuals towards a politician who has staunchly defended the use of private healthcare to bring down NHS waiting lists.
For Jo Maugham, executive director of Good Law Project, these donations raise a series of difficult questions.
“Everyone who cares about the future of the NHS will want to know why so much of the donations Wes Streeting discloses comes from those connected to private healthcare,” Maugham said. “What do they think their money buys? And why is Streeting such a vigorous advocate for private sector involvement in the NHS?”
How private health has invested in Wes Streeting | Good Law Project
More than 60% of the registered donations accepted by the health secretary come from people and companies linked to private health. But are they expecting a return? By Max Colbert
goodlawproject.org
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