Transfers....

What is confusing me is the money we may have to spend. If we got 22 for LL and the figures suggested of 15 for VDB and 22 for HH, then Azaz for say 12, that’s a total of 71 million. Even if Gibbo agreed we could spend half of it, that is a massive amount of money being spent on new players. If we are not spending that kind of money then what is the actual plan? I reckon we must be looking overseas for players that Scott believes are suited to being top quality in the Championship.
Sell players that have developed since we bought them.. then buy undervalued players with a view to developing them.

Looks like we need to re-stock our academy.. we’ve lost Smith, Dijksteel, Clarke.. we’ve got a few entering their final year and a few that haven’t developed as much as we would have hoped.

11 players quickly turns into £33m at £3m a pop.. transfer fees often get inflated so we might not have as much as we thing we are bringing in.

The academy will cost to re-stock. Fag packet calculation has us having to bring £40m of talent in just to stand still.. and that’s without any sales.
 
What is confusing me is the money we may have to spend. If we got 22 for LL and the figures suggested of 15 for VDB and 22 for HH, then Azaz for say 12, that’s a total of 71 million. Even if Gibbo agreed we could spend half of it, that is a massive amount of money being spent on new players. If we are not spending that kind of money then what is the actual plan? I reckon we must be looking overseas for players that Scott believes are suited to being top quality in the Championship.
You've got to factor in wages as well though, if we're using the sales of those 4 players to finance the purchase of 12 then we've got 8 lots of extra wages to pay for as well as 12 transfer fees. I know that other players have left which frees up a bit more money for wages but if we're looking at £6-8m signings instead of £3-4m ones to keep the incremental improvement of the squad up then they also come at a premium.
 
Was the tweak in response to what the review highlighted? Is there anything else from the review that might become more clear over time and if so is there anything you can share?
I couldn't tell you Exeter.
The conversations I've had align more with the club making the decision to sign a few more experienced players having just come from an ongoing analysis rather than any single review event.

I suppose you put that plan in to action at this time of the year so it's getting mentioned more now - and would come across like it's been a recent switch to the model. But I don't think that is necessarily the case. That's just my opinion based on what I know though.

I find it interesting that the couple of lads we've signed for the 21's are not being touted as 1st team players. I think Hamilton and Silvera were signings that were hopefully 1st team ready; like Morris. That has obviously not worked out but they were both definitely given their opportunities when they first arrived.

Maybe that is the tweak.... Sign players to build a very strong 21's team (let's not forget we released a lot of 21's players recently), with the hope that they can break in to the first team - rather than have them straight in there. With the new signings for the first team being an already established and more experienced pro.
 
What about outside info?

If you have to wait until it’s inside info.. it’s

I couldn't tell you Exeter.
The conversations I've had align more with the club making the decision to sign a few more experienced players having just come from an ongoing analysis rather than any single review event.

I suppose you put that plan in to action at this time of the year so it's getting mentioned more now - and would come across like it's been a recent switch to the model. But I don't think that is necessarily the case. That's just my opinion based on what I know though.

I find it interesting that the couple of lads we've signed for the 21's are not being touted as 1st team players. I think Hamilton and Silvera were signings that were hopefully 1st team ready; like Morris. That has obviously not worked out but they were both definitely given their opportunities when they first arrived.

Maybe that is the tweak.... Sign players to build a very strong 21's team (let's not forget we released a lot of 21's players recently), with the hope that they can break in to the first team - rather than have them straight in there. With the new signings for the first team being an already established and more experienced pro.
I think we would be wise to try for
Scott McKenna free
Tyrhys Dolan free
Harry Toffolo free
Good experienced pros all with agent Wasserman. Agent of Fry and Morris .
One call , bag them all .
 
I think we would be wise to try for
Scott McKenna free
Tyrhys Dolan free
Harry Toffolo free
Good experienced pros all with agent Wasserman. Agent of Fry and Morris .
One call , bag them all .
I think Edwards will struggle to accommodate Whittaker tbh.. Dolan strikes me as quite a similar player.. plus they would both have to start. McKenna hasn’t played many games.. we desperately need some durability in the back line.

Toffolo.. he’ll be on a wedge.. maybe a newly promoted side will take a punt?
 
I think Edwards will struggle to accommodate Whittaker tbh.. Dolan strikes me as quite a similar player.. plus they would both have to start. McKenna hasn’t played many games.. we desperately need some durability in the back line.

Toffolo.. he’ll be on a wedge.. maybe a newly promoted side will take a punt?
McKenna played 31 games for club and 6 for Scotland , almost ever present .
Huge upgrade on Borges and Edmundson for the LCH and a leader and potential captain .
We should be all over it .
I like Dolan and think he could play alongside Whittaker behind the striker , or rotate with him . Digger on one Boro said Dolan had agreed to come when it was Carrick , but has had a change of heart . Maybe Edwards has pulled the plug and doesn't want him .
Toffolo is decent , on a free and an upgrade on Borges and Bangura . LB may not be a priority with those 2 already here .
 
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I really liked the look of Bangura. That position is his if he wants it. I seem to recall some great attacking runs forward from him too.
With Lenihan fit again we've got half a decent defence there with Deal.
Sol is going to be first choice keeper next season and I thought he did excellent when in the team last season. Borges as the LCH or he'd be a great backup if we brought in another starter. Just leaves a new exciting right back to be recruited and the rest would be squad signings.
 
Was the tweak in response to what the review highlighted? Is there anything else from the review that might become more clear over time and if so is there anything you can share?
I think it will highlight that we lack physical power down the middle of the pitch
 
You've got to factor in wages as well though, if we're using the sales of those 4 players to finance the purchase of 12 then we've got 8 lots of extra wages to pay for as well as 12 transfer fees. I know that other players have left which frees up a bit more money for wages but if we're looking at £6-8m signings instead of £3-4m ones to keep the incremental improvement of the squad up then they also come at a premium.
There needs to be some deadwood removed. Silvera, Barlaser etc. but yes if we sign more experienced players wages will increase so we won’t spend more than about 75% of any revenue generated
 
There needs to be some deadwood removed. Silvera, Barlaser etc. but yes if we sign more experienced players wages will increase so we won’t spend more than about 75% of any revenue generated
No fee for McKenna mean we can afford his wages . Agree on deadwood.
Silvera / Barlaser / Hamilton / Gilbert / Edmundson / Lenihan if possible and Ayling if we can offload him on a free .
I agree on the physical power through the spine and would personally like to see
————————Pandur/ Steele
———-Rhys Williams / Pollock / Mckenna
——————-( Makosso ) ( A Jones)
J key ———-—A Irving —Gyabi ———-Toffolo
(C Ramsay) ( L Stephenson)Baligizi ) ( Wiley)
——————- Colwill / Dario Sits
(Toni Fruk) ( Adebomi )
———-——————Salech
(Marcelo Ryan )
My perfect 11 .
Height , leaders , ability , pace , youth

Bold - 1st choice 11 - cost ? £26.2m
Brackets - back up options - £17.5m
Steele Loan /

Pandur £1m
R Williams £2m
Pollock £5m
McKenna free
Key £3m
A Irving £3m
Gyabi £3m
Toffolo free
Colwill £3m
Sits £1.2m
Salech £6m

Pandur £1m
Makosso £2m
A Jones £3m
C Ramsay £2m
L Stephenson £1.5m
J Baligizi loan or £1m
C Wiley loan
Toni Fruk £5m
Adebomi £1m
Marcelo Ryan £1m

One call to LFC gets 4 players for £6.5m covering CH RM RWB CM

One call to Hull gets GK £1m LCH £2m and maybe even Alzate CM £2m and the RB Drameh £2m as they are in trouble and offer players in exchange.

Wing backs apart , height throughout the team , even Baligizi and Adebomi are big lads , both can be the next Rogers imo
 
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No fee for McKenna mean we can afford his wages . Agree on deadwood.
Silvera / Barlaser / Hamilton / Gilbert / Edmundson / Lenihan if possible and Ayling if we can offload him on a free .
I agree on the physical power through the spine and would personally like to see
————————Pandur/ Steele
———-Rhys Williams / Pollock / Mckenna
——————-( Makosso ) ( A Jones)
J key ———-—A Irving —Gyabi ———-Toffolo
(C Ramsay) ( L Stephenson)Baligizi ) ( Wiley)
——————- Colwill / Dario Sits
(Toni Fruk) ( Adebomi )
———-——————Salech
(Marcelo Ryan )
My perfect 11 .
Height , leaders , ability , pace , youth

Bold - 1st choice 11 - cost ? £26.2m
Brackets - back up options - £17.5m
Steele Loan /

Pandur £1m
R Williams £2m
Pollock £5m
McKenna free
Key £3m
A Irving £3m
Gyabi £3m
Toffolo free
Colwill £3m
Sits £1.2m
Salech £6m

Pandur £1m
Makosso £2m
A Jones £3m
C Ramsay £2m
L Stephenson £1.5m
J Baligizi loan or £1m
C Wiley loan
Toni Fruk £5m
Adebomi £1m
Marcelo Ryan £1m

One call to LFC gets 4 players for £6.5m covering CH RM RWB CM

One call to Hull gets GK LCH and maybe even
Alzate CM and the RB Drameh for a low rate , and offer players in exchange.

Wing backs apart , height throughout the team , even Baligizi and Adebomi are big lads , both can be the next Rogers imo
Rhys Williams & Jamie Pollock must be well past it now.
 
No fee for McKenna mean we can afford his wages . Agree on deadwood.
Silvera / Barlaser / Hamilton / Gilbert / Edmundson / Lenihan if possible and Ayling if we can offload him on a free .
I agree on the physical power through the spine and would personally like to see
————————Pandur/ Steele
———-Rhys Williams / Pollock / Mckenna
——————-( Makosso ) ( A Jones)
J key ———-—A Irving —Gyabi ———-Toffolo
(C Ramsay) ( L Stephenson)Baligizi ) ( Wiley)
——————- Colwill / Dario Sits
(Toni Fruk) ( Adebomi )
———-——————Salech
(Marcelo Ryan )
My perfect 11 .
Height , leaders , ability , pace , youth

Bold - 1st choice 11 - cost ? £26.2m
Brackets - back up options - £17.5m
Steele Loan /

Pandur £1m
R Williams £2m
Pollock £5m
McKenna free
Key £3m
A Irving £3m
Gyabi £3m
Toffolo free
Colwill £3m
Sits £1.2m
Salech £6m

Pandur £1m
Makosso £2m
A Jones £3m
C Ramsay £2m
L Stephenson £1.5m
J Baligizi loan or £1m
C Wiley loan
Toni Fruk £5m
Adebomi £1m
Marcelo Ryan £1m

One call to LFC gets 4 players for £6.5m covering CH RM RWB CM

One call to Hull gets GK £1m LCH £2m and maybe even Alzate CM £2m and the RB Drameh £2m as they are in trouble and offer players in exchange.

Wing backs apart , height throughout the team , even Baligizi and Adebomi are big lads , both can be the next Rogers imo
Hamilton, I’d get him a better loan this season. Haven’t seen enough to write him off yet.

Lenihan noises are that Edward’s sees him as a key man…for me he’ll need to have a great pre-season or move on. I can’t see him getting back to the level we hope.

We can probably bring in 2.5m in transfers and save 60k in wages by moving them out. It’s all part of the improvement process

I like the idea of frees McKenna is a good shout, I like the idea of Meopham proven at this level and a good age again available on a free.

Tyrys Dolan is another id be looking at. They may cost 60-70k in wages but would have 20m in asset value. Hard to argue against those.

It would leave a large budget for key signings, cf, wing backs and keeper that we really need to
Invest in
 
Hamilton, I’d get him a better loan this season. Haven’t seen enough to write him off yet.

Lenihan noises are that Edward’s sees him as a key man…for me he’ll need to have a great pre-season or move on. I can’t see him getting back to the level we hope.

We can probably bring in 2.5m in transfers and save 60k in wages by moving them out. It’s all part of the improvement process

I like the idea of frees McKenna is a good shout, I like the idea of Meopham proven at this level and a good age again available on a free.

Tyrys Dolan is another id be looking at. They may cost 60-70k in wages but would have 20m in asset value. Hard to argue against those.

It would leave a large budget for key signings, cf, wing backs and keeper that we really need to
Invest in
If Lenihan recovers he would be a key player for us but that seems like a big IF. 31 years old and hasn't played in 2 seasons, it takes a lot to come back from that. If he doesn't recover we really need to bring in someone a lot like him known as a strong leader and organiser with plenty of experience. Worrall or Mepham on loan, McKenna on a free would all fit the bill. Problem is that it'll take a few weeks to see if Lenihan will make it and we don't want to find a replacement until then.

Looks like Rav is off in which case I think we need to replace with a player at a similar stage of development. The likes of Cresswell, Gilchrist or Callum Doyle would be great but I doubt we would get much change out of Rav's fee. I think our scouting department needs to earn their corn there.

I've a feeling that Edwards is going to play with a front 3 rather than 4. Something like a 3-4-2-1, 3-4-1-2 or 3-4-3. In that case we have Conway, Azaz, McGree, Whittaker, Forss & Burgzorg. The obvious need is a main striker. We don't know whether McGree and Forss can stay fit or whether we'll sell Forss seeing as it's his final 12 months. If both come good this season we're looking good. If not, we'll need someone like Dolan. If Azaz leaves, Dolan would also be a good option. Dolan's a high-energy, high-tempo player. I think Burgzorg will look much better in a more direct system though he's still only really a back-up. From what I've seen of Strelec he looks like he would be great in this system. At this stage, I suspect we're hoping that recruitment have unearthed another Latte Lath.

We do need to look at Gilbert and Hamilton in pre-season. Sometimes with a player it just clicks. Gilbert though is starting to look like one of those players who can look great for 15 minutes as a sub but can't seem to produce from the start of a game. Hamilton just looked like he had no self-belief.

Midfield is a huge issue for me. Hackney will go and we won't be able to afford Morton as a replacement. Looks like Howson has gone. I would like to see Lewis Travis come in to bring the experience; I don't think he has long on his contract. Of players I know, I would replace Hackney with Gyabi. Have Morris and Travis as our main axis then Gyabi and (hopefully he'll prove up to it) McCabe to bring youth into it.

LWB I suspect we're waiting to see whether Bangura makes it through pre-season. If he does I presume we go with him and Borges as a back-up. I would like to see McCormick as an option at LCB but I guess we can look at his ability as a wing back; he seems comfortable on the ball. If Bangura doesn't make it then it's a question of whether we throw cash at Luton for Doughty. There is Wilson-Esbrand at Man city as a potential loan; I wasn't that impressed with him at Stoke. We could always revisit Illing Jr. I suspect LWB is his best position. Villa will be waiting to the end of the transfer window with him which might work well for us if we try Bangura and he breaks down.

RWB. I don't know if Dede has been training with the seniors in pre-season but I assume we're looking for a new first choice regardless. Bali Mumba seems the most realistic option. Cody Drameh looked good a couple of years ago but his career seems to have stalled. Alfie Gilchrist is possibly a bit too defensively minded but as someone who can play right back or centre back at a pinch he may be a revelation at wing back. There's also Brodie Spencer at Huddersfield who seems ready to step up to the Championship. Seems to be someone who can play anywhere along the back so might be a bargain basement Gilchrist.

Keeper; happy with Brynn. Although we bought a new one in for the U21s, I've a feeling we'll hang onto Glover and hope that Brynn stays fit and plays well until Dieng is back. At that point, we either sell Dieng or he is a serious option for 1st choice if he has got over his issues.

Right now, it seems clear we need a right (wing)back, defensive midfielder and striker as a priority. The rest is a whole lot of if-thens depending on who recovers from injury and who leaves. I suspect we're pinning quite a lot on Lenihan, Bangura, McGree and Brynn coming through pre-season as a good 1st choice in their position and able to play a full season. It's a gamble.
 
If Lenihan recovers he would be a key player for us but that seems like a big IF. 31 years old and hasn't played in 2 seasons, it takes a lot to come back from that. If he doesn't recover we really need to bring in someone a lot like him known as a strong leader and organiser with plenty of experience. Worrall or Mepham on loan, McKenna on a free would all fit the bill. Problem is that it'll take a few weeks to see if Lenihan will make it and we don't want to find a replacement until then.

Looks like Rav is off in which case I think we need to replace with a player at a similar stage of development. The likes of Cresswell, Gilchrist or Callum Doyle would be great but I doubt we would get much change out of Rav's fee. I think our scouting department needs to earn their corn there.

I've a feeling that Edwards is going to play with a front 3 rather than 4. Something like a 3-4-2-1, 3-4-1-2 or 3-4-3. In that case we have Conway, Azaz, McGree, Whittaker, Forss & Burgzorg. The obvious need is a main striker. We don't know whether McGree and Forss can stay fit or whether we'll sell Forss seeing as it's his final 12 months. If both come good this season we're looking good. If not, we'll need someone like Dolan. If Azaz leaves, Dolan would also be a good option. Dolan's a high-energy, high-tempo player. I think Burgzorg will look much better in a more direct system though he's still only really a back-up. From what I've seen of Strelec he looks like he would be great in this system. At this stage, I suspect we're hoping that recruitment have unearthed another Latte Lath.

We do need to look at Gilbert and Hamilton in pre-season. Sometimes with a player it just clicks. Gilbert though is starting to look like one of those players who can look great for 15 minutes as a sub but can't seem to produce from the start of a game. Hamilton just looked like he had no self-belief.

Midfield is a huge issue for me. Hackney will go and we won't be able to afford Morton as a replacement. Looks like Howson has gone. I would like to see Lewis Travis come in to bring the experience; I don't think he has long on his contract. Of players I know, I would replace Hackney with Gyabi. Have Morris and Travis as our main axis then Gyabi and (hopefully he'll prove up to it) McCabe to bring youth into it.

LWB I suspect we're waiting to see whether Bangura makes it through pre-season. If he does I presume we go with him and Borges as a back-up. I would like to see McCormick as an option at LCB but I guess we can look at his ability as a wing back; he seems comfortable on the ball. If Bangura doesn't make it then it's a question of whether we throw cash at Luton for Doughty. There is Wilson-Esbrand at Man city as a potential loan; I wasn't that impressed with him at Stoke. We could always revisit Illing Jr. I suspect LWB is his best position. Villa will be waiting to the end of the transfer window with him which might work well for us if we try Bangura and he breaks down.

RWB. I don't know if Dede has been training with the seniors in pre-season but I assume we're looking for a new first choice regardless. Bali Mumba seems the most realistic option. Cody Drameh looked good a couple of years ago but his career seems to have stalled. Alfie Gilchrist is possibly a bit too defensively minded but as someone who can play right back or centre back at a pinch he may be a revelation at wing back. There's also Brodie Spencer at Huddersfield who seems ready to step up to the Championship. Seems to be someone who can play anywhere along the back so might be a bargain basement Gilchrist.

Keeper; happy with Brynn. Although we bought a new one in for the U21s, I've a feeling we'll hang onto Glover and hope that Brynn stays fit and plays well until Dieng is back. At that point, we either sell Dieng or he is a serious option for 1st choice if he has got over his issues.

Right now, it seems clear we need a right (wing)back, defensive midfielder and striker as a priority. The rest is a whole lot of if-thens depending on who recovers from injury and who leaves. I suspect we're pinning quite a lot on Lenihan, Bangura, McGree and Brynn coming through pre-season as a good 1st choice in their position and able to play a full season. It's a gamble.
Defence is a big issue.. as is defensive midfield.
 
Young fringe player.

The club have also decided that the model of bringing in young players with high potential / future sale value is not something that should happen 'as a rule'.
So, expect to see some more experienced players coming in with less of a high future potential value, but offer more in the way of experience.
The model is being 'tweaked' shall we say.
The young potential model only works if you have old heads, but we pretty much lost them all through injury, retirement or, the ones that should bring the leadership and direction are weak (Eg Fry).
The new 'model' has been a disaster in terms of advancing the team on the pitch.
 
The young potential model only works if you have old heads, but we pretty much lost them all through injury, retirement or, the ones that should bring the leadership and direction are weak (Eg Fry).
The new 'model' has been a disaster in terms of advancing the team on the pitch.
I cant disagree really.
However, we hopefully have a bit more money in the kitty than say - this time 2 years ago with the sales we have made from the young players we have brought in to sell on.
Time will tell, but if we can now afford a slightly better level of player then we could 2 years ago then the model is working?
 
The young potential model only works if you have old heads, but we pretty much lost them all through injury, retirement or, the ones that should bring the leadership and direction are weak (Eg Fry).
The new 'model' has been a disaster in terms of advancing the team on the pitch.
disaster is overplaying it.

Our best 5 players when we started this model, when scott arrived were. 1) Tav, 2) Jones, 3) McNair,4) Fry 5) Crooks

Thyre now 1) Hackney 2) Azaz 3) Conway 4) Rav 5) Morris

I think people forget just how lacking in quality and value our squad was back then.

It's much better quality and far higher value. The side when he came in was poor and proped up by some cracking loans the following season. Since then we've improved our players. The loans didn't work as well though. If we'd had 22/23 Giles instead of Iheanacho; 22/23 Archer instead of Iheanacho and 22/23 Ramsey instead of playing Bergzorg every week, we'd have comfortably made the play offs.
 
Something to bear in mind. The accounts that club have filed spell out exactly how much we spend and receive on transfers and loans each season. They also include the player trading for the summer window of the next year. (Notes 9 and 22). That means, if we use transfermarkt to estimate winter 24/25 we can have a decent estimate of what was in the war chest at the beginning of the summer.

21/22 (Tav and Spence sales accounted in June 22 for PSR purposes.) Profit £27m
22/23 Loss £9m
23/24 Loss £1.4m
24/25 Summer loss £15.8m
24/25 Winter Profit £14m (estimate from transfermarkt and loan fee estimate. Transfermarkt tends to over estimate money received and under-estimate money paid out.)
As of the start of 25/26 this gives us a balance of around £15m

I don't think all of the profit from 21/22 went into the kitty due to PSR issues. It kind of looks like only £10m-£15m went into the transfer kitty. On the other hand, we know we will have received some add-ons from Spence and Rogers last year. So we can probably remove £5m-£15m from the estimated balance on 1st July 2025.

Bottom line is that at the start of this summer, before the Coburn sale, we seem to have had somewhere between £0-£10m in the kitty; probably nearer £0 than £10m. We're still better off than most in the league and we will get hefty payments for Rav and Hackney but we're not exactly minted. The combination of change of head coach and waiting to see what kind of bids come in for Rav and Hackney is probably causing a delay in activity because we didn't start the window with much (if any) money to spend.
 
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