Train station at the Riverside?

Northern Rail are not fit for purpose in the Teesside area, not even close and I don't know what the answer is? I have a sister who lives in Hartlepool, her and the family occasionally go up to Newcastle on the train on a Saturday, just two carriages come and no one at Hartlepool can hardly get on this happens without fail. That Teesside, Hartlepool, Seaham and Sunderland 800,000 people served by two carriages, it drives people away from public transport.
 
No it isn't as simple as that, but when one of the selling points of a new stadium at the Riverside was the nearby train station at Cargo fleet you think various councils etc would have tried to make steps in that way in the 30 years since the announcement of a new ground, but no the typical Teesside way of announcing stuff like the little Venice project, the tall ships area, the Tees valley metro etc happens and then just gets conveniently forgotten about.
 
exeterboro said:
No it isn't as simple as that, but when one of the selling points of a new stadium at the Riverside was the nearby train station at Cargo fleet you think various councils etc would have tried to make steps in that way in the 30 years since the announcement of a new ground, but no the typical Teesside way of announcing stuff like the little Venice project, the tall ships area, the Tees valley metro etc happens and then just gets conveniently forgotten about.
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Agree with that!

Our local politicians can't help themselves when it comes to overambitious and undeliverable boondoggles. Brings back memories of middlehaven project with Marge Simpsons hair and a toaster.
 
exeterboro said:
Northern Rail are not fit for purpose in the Teesside area, not even close and I don't know what the answer is? I have a sister who lives in Hartlepool, her and the family occasionally go up to Newcastle on the train on a Saturday, just two carriages come and no one at Hartlepool can hardly get on this happens without fail. That Teesside, Hartlepool, Seaham and Sunderland 800,000 people served by two carriages, it drives people away from public transport.
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That Durham coast line hasnt changed in years. South of Sunderland, the signalling is out of date and the infrastructure is well past its sell-by date. With "Stations" being nothing more than Bus - Shelters, where passengers are left to the elements and disabled people are left to fend for themselves.The Class 156`s that plough up and down that line are filthy and were built as long as 35 years ago - by British Rail. The 158`s arent much younger. With speed restrictions, lack of platform capability to take longer trains and poor timetabling.......its archaic and inadequate for a modern transport system.

The line is 39.5 miles long between Boro and Newcastle and the fastest (?!) train takes 71 minutes [average 33.3mph]
The average journey time is 84 minutes [average speed 28 mph]

The X12 bus takes over 2 hours and often involves changing at Durham.

With a decent bike, you can get from Boro to Newcastle in the same time as the bus!

There`s no incentive to use public transport with that shameful "alternative" to the private car.

Here`s a vid of an actual journey between Boro and Newcastle if you`ve got 77 minutes to spare.

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r00fie1 said:
That Durham coast line hasnt changed in years. South of Sunderland, the signalling is out of date and the infrastructure is well past its sell-by date. With "Stations" being nothing more than Bus - Shelters, where passengers are left to the elements and disabled people are left to fend for themselves.The Class 156`s that plough up and down that line are filthy and were built as long as 35 years ago - by British Rail. The 158`s arent much younger. With speed restrictions, lack of platform capability to take longer trains and poor timetabling.......its archaic and inadequate for a modern transport system.

The line is 39.5 miles long between Boro and Newcastle and the fastest (?!) train takes 71 minutes [average 33.3mph]
The average journey time is 84 minutes [average speed 28 mph]

The X12 bus takes over 2 hours and often involves changing at Durham.

With a decent bike, you can get from Boro to Newcastle in the same time as the bus!

There`s no incentive to use public transport with that shameful "alternative" to the private car.

Here`s a vid of an actual journey between Boro and Newcastle if you`ve got 77 minutes to spare.

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Personally I think the road links are just as bad, overloaded and outdated with unreliable journey times at peak hours.

Lets face it, the north east infrastructure belongs to a bygone era.
 
HolgateCorner said:
Personally I think the road links are just as bad, overloaded and outdated with unreliable journey times at peak hours.

Lets face it, the north east infrastructure belongs to a bygone era.
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When we look at what public transport investment London and the South East recieves [per capita] whole regions across the country are running on empty in comparison.
The whole question of Regional Government - like the "Departments" in France could have real benefits for the people of those regions. People in those regions know better their demographics and the local needs - much better and in tune than some pen-pusher and politician in London. (y)
 
Chutney said:
Could do what they do in Germany in a lot of places and include it as part of the ticket price.
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Not sure how it would, or could, work. Germany has a completely different transport system to ours. Including it in the price would force the ticket price up here - how would that go down with those who don't or won't use public transport? It works in Brighton, but Brighton's ground is in an out-of-town setting, not a short walk away like ours, and was built next to an existing railway station. Building a railway station next to the Riverside would be a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. And I say that as an enthusiast for the railways.
 
r00fie1 said:
That Durham coast line hasnt changed in years. South of Sunderland, the signalling is out of date and the infrastructure is well past its sell-by date. With "Stations" being nothing more than Bus - Shelters, where passengers are left to the elements and disabled people are left to fend for themselves.The Class 156`s that plough up and down that line are filthy and were built as long as 35 years ago - by British Rail. The 158`s arent much younger. With speed restrictions, lack of platform capability to take longer trains and poor timetabling.......its archaic and inadequate for a modern transport system.

The line is 39.5 miles long between Boro and Newcastle and the fastest (?!) train takes 71 minutes [average 33.3mph]
The average journey time is 84 minutes [average speed 28 mph]

The X12 bus takes over 2 hours and often involves changing at Durham.

With a decent bike, you can get from Boro to Newcastle in the same time as the bus!

There`s no incentive to use public transport with that shameful "alternative" to the private car.

Here`s a vid of an actual journey between Boro and Newcastle if you`ve got 77 minutes to spare.

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The only good thing about the train journey is the fare. About £6 for a single. 👍
 
We can barely get enough trains to the main line stations in this country, never mind to a halt to be used between 20 and 30 times a year.

Yes we should have one, we're unfortunately not a mature enough nation to organise it.
 
NorthumberlandBoro said:
Easier and cheaper to run shuttle buses from town.
But that was tried and stopped due to lack of demand years ago.
In reality it's not far to walk from town.
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When as I don't remember them at The Riverside. Before we moved here there a was buses to Ayresome which were really popular. Have used the one from North Ormesby on may occasion and it was always pretty full.
The walk from/to the town is the worst part of the whole match day experience. It may be nice on the one good day a year we have. Most of the people I go with are in their late sixties. I suppose we can stop off at all those pubs and cafes that they built on the way..................or not.

Capybara said:
It's what @r00fie1 said. And the cost. And how would they collect fares?
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As TeaCider said you can get train to and from Redcar on a match day(and other times on the Transpennine) and they rarely bother to collect fares. At many stations I have been to they just have a ticket collector or more than one at the entrance to station. Seen this done loads of times.

exeterboro said:
On days of big followings, after the match anyway it would only be open to away fans, it would keep many from walking back into town. Before the game it would be open to both sets of supporters.

Buts it's possible and hopefully would happen as a part of move towards a Teesside Metro. Sunderland have the St Peters Metro and the city center train station they both take a large number of fans on match day.

It's worked at Millwall, the flashpoints usually come the other way into town, but as above make it only for away fans after some big games.
You hope the train provider would be able to allocate some extra staff as they at other places usually everywhere around the UK, in addition to have ticket barriers which is the norm now.
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Millwall is not only open to away fans. They filter in from one side and home fans filter in from other. Very often mixed on the station although I have also seen it where they block home fans until Boro get away. You can get the Undergound in London and you are mixing with opposing fans and same with stations close to grounds.

exeterboro said:
Northern Rail are not fit for purpose in the Teesside area, not even close and I don't know what the answer is? I have a sister who lives in Hartlepool, her and the family occasionally go up to Newcastle on the train on a Saturday, just two carriages come and no one at Hartlepool can hardly get on this happens without fail. That Teesside, Hartlepool, Seaham and Sunderland 800,000 people served by two carriages, it drives people away from public transport.
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Agree with that. Shocking the service Northern Rail provides.

Finally I would say when Cargo Fleet was closed it was probably still a better station than Millwall for instance and even others on the Saltburn to Darlington route some of which have no station at all.
 
asredastheycome said:
Finally I would say when Cargo Fleet was closed it was probably still a better station than Millwall for instance and even others on the Saltburn to Darlington route some of which have no station at all.
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I don't remember it closing, I was living down here by then but I do remember it previously to closing probably having a similar central platform to Thornaby perfect for large
crowds.
 
NorthumberlandBoro said:
The Riverside is a shorter walk from the station than most away grounds from my experience.
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We are 66th closest to a train station in the league according to research done in 2016. Its a pretty grim walk especially in winter. The walk to ayresome seemed easier, even though it was further. It was level, you could stop in pubs cafes takeaways on the way and there were buses a lot closer too.
 
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