TOUGH MEASURES ADDRESSING FAN BEHAVIOUR AT MATCHES

Recently attended the NYC Derby and whilst the actual match left a lot to be desired, the "fan culture" element was spot on.

I saw above the Red Bull's Ultras (Vikings?) section, smoke bans, full size tifo, constant singing/conducting. I thought it was excellent - as I have when I've watched football in Germany, Poland etc.

What's the difference with the English game? Is it a matter of trust between supporters and the authorities?
 
Beverleyred said:
Ey up Newy, does that mean you have to behave yourself 😹
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Gonna have to knock it all on the head by the sounds of it! entering the pitch! ooh err (best bit of the pre match ritual)

no more tiki torches, no more sparklers or catherine wheels, frisbees will be out of the window, no more half time crack pipes, no more waccy baccy and that's before i've even had chance to have some discriminatory behaviour!

It's like Berwick Hills baths all over again!

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VestasBoro said:
Don't got on the pitch, don't use flares, don't throw anything on the pitch or anywhere, don't act like a pr*ck and don't do drugs.

Those rules aren't that hard to follow at the footy i don't think.
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They are not hard to follow, but they have always been the rules.. so maybe look into why that are being broken?
 
boroboy6872 said:
I`m not entirely convinced that the use of flares or smokes that have been let off recently have all been about the "Matchday experience"

It used to mean something, now it`s just a badge to get more likes, nothing more than that

I`m also pretty sure there is no appetite to push any more usage than the current level in the name of increasing the "Matchday experience"
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Five red smoke bombs let off in the cramped Boro concourse at Preston before the game did little for atmosphere but plenty for streaming eyes and wheezing chests.
 
changingman said:
Recently attended the NYC Derby and whilst the actual match left a lot to be desired, the "fan culture" element was spot on.

I saw above the Red Bull's Ultras (Vikings?) section, smoke bans, full size tifo, constant singing/conducting. I thought it was excellent - as I have when I've watched football in Germany, Poland etc.

What's the difference with the English game? Is it a matter of trust between supporters and the authorities?
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Customer Service. We have none of it in the UK, we're expected to say thank you after being over charged for below par products and services.

I'm concerned with how this country is going..

 
rob_fmttm said:
Five red smoke bombs let off in the cramped Boro concourse at Preston before the game did little for atmosphere but plenty for streaming eyes and wheezing chests.
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and does that happen if they are allowed under certain conditions or an alternative is provided?
 
Yeah, there two alternatives

1. Don't set off any pyrotechnic device
2. Stick it up your rrse then set it off safely

Setting off pyro is not part of the atmosphere it is a self indulgent nonsense that is at best unpleasant and for some people down right dangerous. If you can't not do these simple things then FRO.
 
Muttley said:
Yeah, there two alternatives

1. Don't set off any pyrotechnic device
2. Stick it up your rrse then set it off safely

Setting off pyro is not part of the atmosphere it is a self indulgent nonsense that is at best unpleasant and for some people down right dangerous. If you can't not do these simple things then FRO.
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It's very much part of football culture that is being ignored. Totally idiotic to set off pyro in the concourse, chucking a flare into the goal at Bishop Auckland was total cringe. Ignoring changes in attitudes, changes in fashions etc is not the way forward. A poster reading "SMOKE BOMBS IS CRIMINAL BEHAVIOUR" is at best naïve.
 
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newyddion said:
Gonna have to knock it all on the head by the sounds of it! entering the pitch! ooh err (best bit of the pre match ritual)

no more tiki torches, no more sparklers or catherine wheels, frisbees will be out of the window, no more half time crack pipes, no more waccy baccy and that's before i've even had chance to have some discriminatory behaviour!

It's like Berwick Hills baths all over again!

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Berwick hills should have had signs for no shooting swimmers with air pistols and no crapping in the pool!
 
newyddion said:
It's very much part of football culture that is being ignored.
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No it is something that a few d*ckheads have seen on the telly and decided its a good idea because it "looks cool on the telly". One of the last home games the soft lads in the South Stnad let off smoke bombs under a large banner that must have been extremely unpleasant for people under there and there is no way that they all knew that was going to happen. And of course it conveniently hides the miscreants that let it off.

The club have said no. Your choice, if you don't like the rules break em and take the consequences or go elsewhere on a Saturday afternoon. The football experience is not solely the purview of a few entitled tawts in the South Stand.
 
Muttley said:
The club have said no. Your choice, if you don't like the rules break em and take the consequences or go elsewhere on a Saturday afternoon
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Are they suggesting that those were not the rules before or that they didn't enforce rules before? I don't understand what the change is?

NO, WE REALLY MEAN IT NOW THIS TIME FOR REAL. IF YOU SMUGGLE IN PYRO AND AND SECRETLY LET IT OFF.. WE'LL BE EVEN MORE CROSS WITH YOU?!?!!?
 
Does pepper-spraying innocent men women and children, deliberately kettling fans on the way out of the ground and deliberately creating panic and intimidation by Staffordshire Police come into the "rules"? [ref: Stoke City]
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newyddion said:
Are they suggesting that those were not the rules before or that they didn't enforce rules before? I don't understand what the change is?
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There is a lot that you don't seem to understand.

The rules about running on the pitch have been allowed to slide. It's only a kid running on to get a selfie with his hero. And then some little chunt runs on in an important game, the game over runs and the opposition score in added on time. The pyro has been getting out of hand, oh it was only a smoke bomb, just the one flare. Do we have to wait until someone is hospitalised when one is set off and it triggers their asthma? Or a kid is burned on the face by a flare? Fans doing coke in the toilets, it's only a bit of nose candy. Yes the rules weren't enforced fully. You are being warned that they will be enforced this season. So when the Red Faction walk out because one of their number has been caught with a smoke bomb and banned, suck it up. No sympathy.

No really if you want to do any of those things just FRO.

r00fie1 said:
Does pepper-spraying innocent men women and children...
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WTF have Staffordshire Police got to do with some prawn setting off a smoke bomb in the concourse? Well just perhaps the same set of numpties that "hilariously" set off a smoke bomb in the concourse previously are traveling in numbers and "Cleveland's Finest" issue an over the top warning about the sort of behaviour that a subset of our fans think is "part of football culture" and they over react. Doesn't make Staffs Fuzz any less guilty but their actions may have been inadvertently precipitated by selfish behaviour by our own. Fan behaviour has consequences in the way we, as a collective, are perceived and policed.
 
Muttley said:
There is a lot that you don't seem to understand.

The rules about running on the pitch have been allowed to slide. It's only a kid running on to get a selfie with his hero. And then some little chunt runs on in an important game, the game over runs and the opposition score in added on time. The pyro has been getting out of hand, oh it was only a smoke bomb, just the one flare. Do we have to wait until someone is hospitalised when one is set off and it triggers their asthma? Or a kid is burned on the face by a flare? Fans doing coke in the toilets, it's only a bit of nose candy. Yes the rules weren't enforced fully. You are being warned that they will be enforced this season. So when the Red Faction walk out because one of their number has been caught with a smoke bomb and banned, suck it up. No sympathy.

No really if you want to do any of those things just FRO.


WTF have Staffordshire Police got to do with some prawn setting off a smoke bomb in the concourse? Well just perhaps the same set of numpties that "hilariously" set off a smoke bomb in the concourse previously are traveling in numbers and "Cleveland's Finest" issue an over the top warning about the sort of behaviour that a subset of our fans think is "part of football culture" and they over react. Doesn't make Staffs Fuzz any less guilty but their actions may have been inadvertently precipitated by selfish behaviour by our own. Fan behaviour has consequences in the way we, as a collective, are perceived and policed.
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Good evening.
The point about Staffordshire is meant to highlight the way the Police and higher up precipitate violence and intimidation.
Staffordshire werent responding to "fan behaviour".
They were organised, briefed and tooled up many weeks before that match.
We need to keep an eye on the Police to ensure they comply with the law.
You may have seen the issues with the Freedom of Information Act request, which basically said nothing and gave no explanation as to who gave the orders for the police to act that way on that occasion at Stoke.
 
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