Tory Voters

Soutra said:
I think many of you are over-analysing what happened in December. If you live in England then the realistic choices were -

Conservative - standing largely on "getting Brexit done" and spending more on the North of England. Or

Labour - with a huge and complicated manifesto, offering all sorts to just about everyone. An unclear message on Brexit, and no immediacy, and maybe another referendum. Or

LibDem - pledged to ignore the referendum result as though 2016 hadn't happened.

So, in retrospect, it wasn't surprising that a lot of people dismissed the LibDems and Labour because they just wanted an end to the political turmoil over Brexit and to be able to get on with their lives. And, strange as it might seem, a lot of people vote for what they think is the best choice for the country, not just the best choice for themselves. "No one ever went broke overestimating the intelligence of the people" is as good an axiom as there ever was in politics.

Labour's route back to power involves moving the party to the right, abandoning the Islington Intelligentsia, making an unambitious, clear and patently affordable manifesto and dealing with a ton of baggage that they've been hauling around for a decade or more. Keir Starmer's firing of Rebecca LB is a start, but he can't afford to split the party because that'll end in defeat for both versions of Labour. The Covid-19 thing is a godsend to Labour because it gives them a free hit at the Tories every week while the Labour party is in pieces on the garage floor. Every week that goes by shows how inept Boris and co are, and there'll be an inquiry at some point that lays bare how poor the Covid response has been. These are great cards for Keir Starmer. For the time being, I think he's doing the right thing. A few by-elections in the next 12 months might show whether he's on the right path, or whether the public has just had enough of Labour talking a good game but staying unelectable.
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This is spot on, for me.
 
I haven’t forgotten.

Apart from working my way through a book I think might add something, I’m still trying to think through how best to structure things on a forum like this.
 
Interesting posts on this thread. I am always a bit surprised when people discuss brexit that no one ever mentions protectionism. It is considered, generally, bad for a country in terms of the populace and pricing structures in the economy. Protectionism over the EU makes things even worse.

I have given my reasons for voting to leave the EU many times, and won't repeat them here. Suffice to say, had I known Johnson would be in charge when we eventually left I would have voted to remain. One other thing I didn't consider was the good friday agreement. Had I considered that, I would also have voted to remain. All that said my reasons for voting to leave are as valid today as they were in 2016.
 
Laughing said:
Interesting posts on this thread. I am always a bit surprised when people discuss brexit that no one ever mentions protectionism. It is considered, generally, bad for a country in terms of the populace and pricing structures in the economy. Protectionism over the EU makes things even worse.

I have given my reasons for voting to leave the EU many times, and won't repeat them here. Suffice to say, had I known Johnson would be in charge when we eventually left I would have voted to remain. One other thing I didn't consider was the good friday agreement. Had I considered that, I would also have voted to remain. All that said my reasons for voting to leave are as valid today as they were in 2016.
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Whether protectionism is good or bad really depends on the circumstances. It can be either.
 
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