Time for Gibson to sell up?

JM14 said:
So what?
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So, I think may need to adjust your expectations rather than stamping your feet like a toddler denied his blue smarties. The UEFA campaigns and the years in the top league may never happen again. There is no fairy godmother with a trunk full of ill gotten crypto coins waiting to waft us to success. Enjoy the ride for what it is. Not what you think your entitled to.
 
Muttley said:
So, I think may need to adjust your expectations rather than stamping your feet like a toddler denied his blue smarties. The UEFA campaigns and the years in the top league may never happen again. There is no fairy godmother with a trunk full of ill gotten crypto coins waiting to waft us to success. Enjoy the ride for what it is. Not what you think your entitled to.
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I’m hardly expecting years like that again, but a club like ours should be able to expect to be in the premier league more than once in 17 years

Look at the clubs who have overtaken us in the last ten years alone. Sunderland, Brighton, Bournemouth, Brentford, Leeds, Coventry, Burnley, Ipswich, Wolves, Forest. Imagine saying in 2016 all of those clubs would be ahead of us in 10 years

Did that just happen by magic as we slowly went backwards?

But yeah you’re right, no way should a Boro fan be entitled enough to expect us to compete with the likes of Sunderland, Bournemouth, Brighton and Brentford. Daft on my part to think we should
 
Just a reminder of a graph of our final league positions since 2010/11.
Taken from the "Match-Day Thread" v Swansea City.
We`ve finished in a play-off position just twice, since the 2016/17 season.

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r00fie1 said:
Just a reminder of a graph of our final league positions since 2010/11.
Taken from the "Match-Day Thread" v Swansea City.
We`ve finished in a play-off position just twice, since the 2016/17 season.

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I think it is all perspective

Top 10 (in top 30 teams in the country) in 10 of the last 11 championship seasons is pretty good overall. A level of consistency whilst improving sustainability.

I see that as only one real season of "failure"
 
Ravshoutsatbeck said:
I think it is all perspective

Top 10 (in top 30 teams in the country) in 10 of the last 11 championship seasons is pretty good overall. A level of consistency whilst improving sustainability.

I see that as only one real season of "failure"
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Just to explain my thinking.

1. Our average attendance is 7th in the championship (a few below in the prem) and our turnover is about 29th in the English football league

2. Our average league position all time is 16th. A very positive period 92 - 2010 which is a slight outlier. The changes the prem has made has made the changes between levels different than history

3. Any season that you win more than you lose is generally entertaining to watch.

Not saying I am delighted - but to call the last 10 years an absolute failure is passion over logic in my eyes.
 
JM14 said:
I’m hardly expecting years like that again, but a club like ours should be able to expect to be in the premier league more than once in 17 years

Look at the clubs who have overtaken us in the last ten years alone. Sunderland, Brighton, Bournemouth, Brentford, Leeds, Coventry, Burnley, Ipswich, Wolves, Forest. Imagine saying in 2016 all of those clubs would be ahead of us in 10 years

Did that just happen by magic as we slowly went backwards?

But yeah you’re right, no way should a Boro fan be entitled enough to expect us to compete with the likes of Sunderland, Bournemouth, Brighton and Brentford. Daft on my part to think we should
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With a bit of luck and a turnaround in form were potentially 5 games away from the premier league by the way.

If we miss out we have another 3 games to try and rectify it in the play offs.

Let's just see what happens. We all want to get promoted.
 
Block21 said:
With a bit of luck and a turnaround in form were potentially 5 games away from the premier league by the way.

If we miss out we have another 3 games to try and rectify it in the play offs.

Let's just see what happens. We all want to get promoted.
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Hopefully, but that would still be two years in the premier league in 17, it still doesn’t change my point
Although the money would really give us the chance to push on as a club, and hopefully not make the same mistakes we did last time
 
It does amuse me that the people who claim to be the positive fans are the ones who have the most negative outlook about the club - nobody would want to buy us, if they did they would be worse than Gibson and fans are ungrateful and shouldn't aspire to be anything better than 1 Premier League season in the last 16, despite seeing the likes of Sunderland, Ipswich, Coventry come through League One and surpass us in recent years.

I don't will Gibson to sell the club, I'd love him to to seek some external investment into the football club to help him fund the club, as it's clear that he isn't able or willing to invest the money required to get us into the Premier League.

But I get the impression he doesn't want to do that.

So we'll just continue to be a mid-table Championship club who occasionally flirt with promotion, but continue to get dog walked by owners like Doug King.
 
Football is a really hilarious thing. Fans sitting in their armchairs complaining that someone has decided to not pump in more millions on top of the hundreds of millions already spent for THEIR entertainment and pleasure.

As fans you have a choice, turn up and pay to watch or don't.

If I was a Chairman I would tell the fans to f*** off or stump up more of your own money to finance this new striker.

Being a Chairman doesn't mean you HAVE to spend your hard earned money on a play thing for the pleasure of the voyeurs, if only the voyeurs (fans) could get their heads around this.
 
Ravshoutsatbeck said:
Just to explain my thinking.

1. Our average attendance is 7th in the championship (a few below in the prem) and our turnover is about 29th in the English football league

2. Our average league position all time is 16th. A very positive period 92 - 2010 which is a slight outlier. The changes the prem has made has made the changes between levels different than history

3. Any season that you win more than you lose is generally entertaining to watch.

Not saying I am delighted - but to call the last 10 years an absolute failure is passion over logic in my eyes.
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Who talked of "failure".
I know I didnt.
 
InglebyUTB said:
It does amuse me that the people who claim to be the positive fans are the ones who have the most negative outlook about the club - nobody would want to buy us, if they did they would be worse than Gibson and fans are ungrateful and shouldn't aspire to be anything better than 1 Premier League season in the last 16, despite seeing the likes of Sunderland, Ipswich, Coventry come through League One and surpass us in recent years.

I don't will Gibson to sell the club, I'd love him to to seek some external investment into the football club to help him fund the club, as it's clear that he isn't able or willing to invest the money required to get us into the Premier League.

But I get the impression he doesn't want to do that.

So we'll just continue to be a mid-table Championship club who occasionally flirt with promotion, but continue to get dog walked by owners like Doug King.
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But FFP means we cannot spend any more than we already do - Sunderland spent their big money after leaving the Championship.
 
r00fie1 said:
Who talked of "failure".
I know I didnt.
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Not directed at anyone specifically.

Multiple times on this thread there are mentions on underachieving.

I am all for having hopes and dreams, but also it is much easier to enjoy life if you can be satisfied with adequate and I reckon the last 4 years have been adequate with 2 good years.

There are very few decisions that I blame Gibson for - even when they have not worked out. But that goes for a lot of other people to, not just him.
 
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