Time for Gibson to sell up?

[indeedido]

It's pathetic.

A Trumpesque type departure from reality.

I've asked this many times of the usual 'Gibson out' fkwits "and who would buy us" and never ever got a remotely sensible answer, because there isn't one.

They need to fk off to Man City or Chelsea or Man U.

Teams better suited to their ridiculous vision of wealth and success.
Take a look at this and tell me that taking over a Championship club makes sense and if Gibson wanted out they's be queuing at the door.

Is the Championship heading for financial 'catastrophe'?

BBC Sport takes a look at if the second tier could be facing a "doomsday scenario" as club accounts reveal the significant scale of their losses.

www.bbc.co.uk

Nobody is saying that , any of that.
Folk are saying that the club is now a more attractive Championship option than most because of the financial position it is in following Gibson’s debt to equity action.
It will always lose money in this league, every non PP club does.
But on promotion, this club would be an attractive low debt option for potential owners.
There’s no doubt no new owner is guaranteed to make better decisions or provide more financial backing. But they’re not guaranteed to do worse either.
It’s Gibsons prerogative whether be sticks or sells on promotion. What is obvious to most that on promotion he would have options at last.

 

[Block21]

I’d question why the OP reignited this debate after we fell out of the top 2 rather than during any of the 220 days since the start of the season we were in it.

The obvious answer is they want to be proved right. They’d rather the club fail than be proved wrong. A very strange stance for a purported fan to take.

He seems to blame Gibson every time we lose a game. Absolutely mental

 

[Ravshoutsatbeck]

I think it comes down to where you stand on risk/benefit.

Personally I like the current relatively low risk high reward model of selling players when there value is high and buying players that are at a good price that could get a profit but not cost the bank if they are a failure.

The last 4 seasons we have realistically had a chance at the playoffs every year and finished in the top half. It does not need much for the variation to push that up towards promotion. Winning more than we lose each year makes for fun watching.

Similar with Gibson leaving.

- not 100% guaranteed we would get a worse owner. But I think the probability of long term stability will be much lower with an alternative ownership model.

If you find me in a casino - I am happy playing £2 every hand for black jack. The person next to me often wins more or loses more - but I have fun playing the game.

 

[Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret]

Folk on here flipping and flopping about all over the place. I've seen one bloke go from Gibson must go, to Gibson is a fantastic chairman, from we are lucky to have Michael Carrick, to the blokes a clown. Saying that Gibson needs to appoint people to make footballing decisions for him. When said bloke is appointed that the bloke he has appointed is clueless. Half a year down the line Scott brings in a couple of players for a profit and he's a genius.

No bottle on the pitch. No bottle off it.

 

[SmoggyParmo]

It is not the quantity but the quality. More often than not individuals who have in the past bought championship and top EFL clubs are often shysters and asset strippers. The Venky's Carson Yeung, Chansiri, Talal Al-Hammad, Ken Anderson, Dai Yongge, Mel Morris. There are more.

Exactly

 

[RobboTheRed]

Interesting whilst most completely disagree with 8 team playoff it almost certainly means we should have something to play for at the end of next season if we are not in the top 2

 

[JM14]

It's pathetic.

A Trumpesque type departure from reality.

I've asked this many times of the usual 'Gibson out' fkwits "and who would buy us" and never ever got a remotely sensible answer, because there isn't one.

They need to fk off to Man City or Chelsea or Man U.

Teams better suited to their ridiculous vision of wealth and success.
Take a look at this and tell me that taking over a Championship club makes sense and if Gibson wanted out they's be queuing at the door.

Is the Championship heading for financial 'catastrophe'?

BBC Sport takes a look at if the second tier could be facing a "doomsday scenario" as club accounts reveal the significant scale of their losses.

www.bbc.co.uk

Average response to anyone who dares to question Gibson, no debate/counter debate, no facts, everyone who disagrees with me can just **** off and support another club

And claiming no one would want to buy a championship club….
Casually ignoring the fact that Brentford were bought while in league one
Wrexham were bought while in non league
Birmingham bought while in the championship
Brighton were bought in league one
So were Sunderland
Coventry bought while in the championship
Ipswich, Burnley, Southampton, Wolves, Leeds, Bournemouth, Forest to name a few more

But yes I’m sure if the club was up for sale, no one would be interested in a fairly top end championship club…

 

[zzzzz]

Average response to anyone who dares to question Gibson, no debate/counter debate, no facts, everyone who disagrees with me can just **** off and support another club

And claiming no one would want to buy a championship club….
Casually ignoring the fact that Brentford were bought while in league one
Wrexham were bought while in non league
Birmingham bought while in the championship
Brighton were bought in league one
So were Sunderland
Coventry bought while in the championship
Ipswich, Burnley, Southampton, Wolves, Leeds, Bournemouth, Forest to name a few more

But yes I’m sure if the club was up for sale, no one would be interested in a fairly top end championship club…

So of those Sunderland and Leeds have had more success recently and wether you like it or not they are much bigger clubs than us on fan numbers and potential. A much better attraction fir potential buyers.

The only exception you've given is Brentford and let's see how long that will last. Under this owner, the one you want rid of, gave us so much more success than Brentford have.

Tell me, did you enjoy the Robson, Karanka McClaren years or did you still want rid if Gibson then?

So you've come up with NOTHING.

Nobody. No buyers. Again.

You're ilk juost want rid of Gibson full stop.

Its as shameful as it is embarrassing and stupid.

 

[viv_andersons_nana]

So of those Sunderland and Leeds have had more success recently and wether you like it or not they are much bigger clubs than us on fan numbers and potential. A much better attraction fir potential buyers.

The only exception you've given is Brentford and let's see how long that will last. Under this owner, the one you want rid of, gave us so much more success than Brentford have.

Tell me, did you enjoy the Robson, Karanka McClaren years or did you still want rid if Gibson then?

So you've come up with NOTHING.

Nobody. No buyers. Again.

You're ilk juost want rid of Gibson full stop.

Its as shameful as it is embarrassing and stupid.

As mentioned above, this thread wasn’t hoofed when Hellberg picked up his Manager of the Month award (or when Edwards collected his). Gibson was praised for getting a load of cash out of Wolves when Edwards left.

It is fine to criticise or ask questions, but there is often outright hostility on here at times. I don’t think the chairman deserves that. I mean, I would love to see the OP say some of the things he posts on here to Gibson’s face.

 

[RobboTheRed]

As mentioned above, this thread wasn’t hoofed when Hellberg picked up his Manager of the Month award (or when Edwards collected his). Gibson was praised for getting a load of cash out of Wolves when Edwards left.

It is fine to criticise or ask questions, but there is often outright hostility on here at times. I don’t think the chairman deserves that. I mean, I would love to see the OP say some of the things he posts on here to Gibson’s face.

I think its in response to another poor january window which many believe will cost us promotion.

 

[MFCJ]

So of those Sunderland and Leeds have had more success recently and wether you like it or not they are much bigger clubs than us on fan numbers and potential. A much better attraction fir potential buyers.

The only exception you've given is Brentford and let's see how long that will last. Under this owner, the one you want rid of, gave us so much more success than Brentford have.

Tell me, did you enjoy the Robson, Karanka McClaren years or did you still want rid if Gibson then?

So you've come up with NOTHING.

Nobody. No buyers. Again.

You're ilk juost want rid of Gibson full stop.

Its as shameful as it is embarrassing and stupid.

Bournemouth? Burnley ...?

 

[viv_andersons_nana]

I think its in response to another poor january window which many believe will cost us promotion.

But those people have decided something despite the season not being finished. This is what I struggle to comprehend tbh. There’s a sense of “it’s done, we aren’t going up,” but it’s incredibly premature. To be making judgements now, in my opinion, is silly.

 

[JM14]

So of those Sunderland and Leeds have had more success recently and wether you like it or not they are much bigger clubs than us on fan numbers and potential. A much better attraction fir potential buyers.

Sunderland were starting their third year in league one when they were bought, they definitely weren’t a more attractive club at that stage than we currently are now.

The only exception you've given is Brentford and let's see how long that will last. Under this owner, the one you want rid of, gave us so much more success than Brentford have.

I’ve given you plenty of exceptions, Ipswich, Burnley, Southampton, Wolves, Leeds, Bournemouth, Forest, Brighton, Coventry, Sunderland. All bought when the clubs were outside the premier league, and are all in a better position than we are currently

You’re trying to claim there’s no interest in us but that wouldn’t be the case if the club was available

Tell me, did you enjoy the Robson, Karanka McClaren years or did you still want rid if Gibson then?

Yes 20+ years ago things were going well and Gibson was doing a great job. The last 20 years he hasn’t

So you've come up with NOTHING.

Nobody. No buyers. Again.

You're ilk juost want rid of Gibson full stop.

It’s as shameful as it is embarrassing and stupid.

Wait are you wanting me to list potential buyers for the club for my point to be valid? How do you expect anyone will know that information when the club hasn’t been available to buy for 40 years? Point I’m making is when Gibson decides to sell(which is hopefully soon), we will have plenty of interest as we’re an attractive club, and many other clubs who were at our level or lower as I’ve listed above have been bought out and are doing very well on the back of it

Ultimately don’t get so wound up that people don’t share your opinion on Gibson. It’s not stupid to want change after the club have had one successful season in about 17 years now

 

[JM14]

As mentioned above, this thread wasn’t hoofed when Hellberg picked up his Manager of the Month award (or when Edwards collected his). Gibson was praised for getting a load of cash out of Wolves when Edwards left.

It is fine to criticise or ask questions, but there is often outright hostility on here at times. I don’t think the chairman deserves that. I mean, I would love to see the OP say some of the things he posts on here to Gibson’s face.

Assume you mean me, but what hostility? We’ve had one season in the premier league since 2009, I’m simply stating I don’t think the owner is doing the best for the club anymore

It’s the same discussions that will be happening on every teams forum at some stage, difference is on here you just can’t criticise Gibson regardless of how bad it gets. Look at the reaction and the hostility to some of my posts on here for asking if the club needs a change of ownership. Criticise Gibson and everyone’s toys come out the pram, as if it’s a personal insult. It’s laughable

 

[viv_andersons_nana]

Assume you mean me, but what hostility? We’ve had one season in the premier league since 2009, I’m simply stating I don’t think the owner is doing the best for the club anymore

It’s the same discussions that will be happening on every teams forum at some stage, difference is on here you just can’t criticise Gibson regardless of how bad it gets. Look at the reaction and the hostility to some of my posts on here for asking if the club needs a change of ownership. Criticise Gibson and everyone’s toys come out the pram, as if it’s a personal insult. It’s laughable

A lady never assumes.

He is obviously doing his best for the club. Come on. You can question decisions but not the intent. In my opinion.

And you can criticise him all you like. But there will be people with other views. This place is full of people questioning, criticising. If it’s done respectfully then crack on.

But “I don’t think he is doing his best,” is just not going to land. It will wind some of us up because he is demonstrably doing his best.

He signs the cheques.

 

[Corco65]

It seems like a number of fans have been spoilt. For those who can remember some of our chairmen before Gibson, could only dream of having a chairman like SG. From being instrumental in saving the club from none existence to having us playing in a brand new stadium and reaching a number of cup finals, people could only dream of such a future and very few beleaved it would come true. We had never even reached a semi final of a major competition before SG came along, it seems to have spoilt a number of people and raised their expectations and created a sense of entitlement of where people feel we should be, rather than some appreciation of the complex and difficult challenges of operating a football club in the current era. SG keeps us competitive on and off the pitch and that is to be appreciated, anything more is a bonus in my view.

 

[Muttley]

We’ve had one season in the premier league since 2009

Who do you think you are "supporting"?

You are just coming across as entitled "I WANT MY PREMIER LEAGUE"

Me? I'm supporting my local club that my Dad took me to see in1967 and I took my son to see in 1996. We have won one trophy in 150 years. I know who I support, I'm not sure you do.

 

[edinboro]

I've not read through all this. The fact is as far as we know there have been offers in the past. Again as far as we know Gibson hasn't felt they were right for the club. Not him, the club. And I think we have to trust him. He is a fan first and foremost. He won't want us to be the next Blackburn or any of the clubs that have suffered after being sold to supposedly better options.

Being the businessman he is he will know who is genuine. He will know a chancer when he sees one. Until someone comes along with a genuinely huge amount of money to invest and a genuine interest in the club as a community asset he won't sell.

What we don't know know is what happens in the Jack Walker scenario. There has never been any word on whether there would be a trust to keep the club going, what is written into Gibson O'Neill's constitution or any other legal documents.

What we do know is we have a top class ground, training facility and academy. Our losses by Championship levels are manageable for a team going for promotion.

We know going up isn't a guarantee of anything magical financially. Just look at Leicester.

We don't know what is round the corner. But I think whilst he is healthy and whilst Bulkhaul continues to make money I don't suspect anything will happen.

But mostly I don't think there is any need for a clamour for him to sell up. Especially on the back of us no having guaranteed promotion by the middle or April.

 

[JM14]

Who do you think you are "supporting"?

You are just coming across as entitled "I WANT MY PREMIER LEAGUE"

Me? I'm supporting my local club that my Dad took me to see in1967 and I took my son to see in 1996. We have won one trophy in 150 years. I know who I support, I'm not sure you do.

Im supporting the same club as you.

The one that was in the uefa cup final 20 years ago, premier league for year after year. If it’s entitled to expect a club with that background to have more than one season in the premier league since 2009, then yes I’m entitled. So what?

 

[JM14]

A lady never assumes.

He is obviously doing his best for the club. Come on. You can question decisions but not the intent. In my opinion.

And you can criticise him all you like. But there will be people with other views. This place is full of people questioning, criticising. If it’s done respectfully then crack on.

But “I don’t think he is doing his best,” is just not going to land. It will wind some of us up because he is demonstrably doing his best.

He signs the cheques.

I know he’s doing his absolute best for the club, and always will do. I don’t doubt that in the slightest

I just don’t think his best is good enough anymore in modern day football. Results on and off the pitch for a long time now can tell you that