Thunberg/Tate Twitter spat..

I've recently started having cereal for breakfast so I'm seriously grateful for the advice on non-dairy alternatives for milk.
 
I guess the focus groups balked at the term 'white paste / sap' so they just use - most of them - milk.. which none of them are..

when I was born 2bn people on the planet, now +8bn.. yet it's milk & meat we have to cut back on :-D
 
And what would the environmental impact be if everyone switched from moo milk to oat?

Hard to say isn't it. It takes less land, energy and water to produce oat milk so I guess generally it'd be a good thing in the long term.

But I'm sure there'd be effects that folk like Piers Morgan could hone in on to try and criticise. E.g. there'd be a bunch of skint dairy farmers, and I guess a massive drop in cow populations.

All the non dairy alt milks seem to have a longer fridge life than cow, so maybe we'd have less milk wasted. And for some reason they all seem to come in the card cartons rather than plastic jugs. I'd guess there's some kind if environmental benefit to that too.
 
I guess the focus groups balked at the term 'white paste / sap' so they just use - most of them - milk.. which none of them are..

when I was born 2bn people on the planet, now +8bn.. yet it's milk & meat we have to cut back on :-D
You were born in 1927?
you must be FMTTMs oldest poster surely 😜
 
For brands I like Oatly or the M&S own brand. I'll have to try the two mentioned above by 1finny and dood.

Whichever brand you go with oat milk needs shaking vigorously before use otherwise it separates a bit and comes out too watery.
I reckon Tesco own brand is my favourite after trying a quite a few different ones I use it to make my porridge every morning a bit weird I guess having double oats
 
when I was born 2bn people on the planet, now +8bn.. yet it's milk & meat we have to cut back on
Not sure I follow - it's precisely because there are 8 billion+ people on the planet, that the overall effect of so many of them eating animal products is having such a massive cumulative impact.

As the Oxford University analysis I mentioned earlier concluded, the biggest impact on the environment that an individual can make, is to avoid meat and dairy.
 
Not sure I follow - it's precisely because there are 8 billion+ people on the planet, that the overall effect of so many of them eating animal products is having such a massive cumulative impact.

As the Oxford University analysis I mentioned earlier concluded, the biggest impact on the environment that an individual can make, is to avoid meat and dairy.
My source was off by 1bn.. though.. it is the number of humans eating the animals, drinking the milk, making cars, causing pollution that is the real cause & that is the link to follow: too many people.

take the people out of the equation & especially the growth.. & the world is in balance, we are the parasite.

 
My source was off by 1bn.. though.. it is the number of humans eating the animals, drinking the milk, making cars, causing pollution that is the real cause & that is the link to follow: too many people.

take the people out of the equation & especially the growth.. & the world is in balance, we are the parasite.


Completely agree but due to the natures of most economies the population needs to grow to keep paying for entry thing, the planets f*cked.
 
Not sure I follow - it's precisely because there are 8 billion+ people on the planet, that the overall effect of so many of them eating animal products is having such a massive cumulative impact.

As the Oxford University analysis I mentioned earlier concluded, the biggest impact on the environment that an individual can make, is to avoid meat and dairy.
I think he is saying the problem is humans are oversaturating the planet
 
How do you milk an oat? And what would the environmental impact be if everyone switched from moo milk to oat?

Its a fair question and, as yet, probably unanswerable. We are a million miles away from that.


The key question, for me, is the continued damage done by dairy farming. If we can reduce that a bit - it is worth going for.

In fairness there is quite a lot going on about the environmental impact of non dairy.
There was some analysis on Soya milk (when that was the only real option) with many (?) pointing out how much soya we would need to produce if ‘everyone’ switched. The bit of the equation that was missed is that currently 80% of soy grown is to feed dairy cows. Could be a zero sum game.

As you can imagine ’Dairy’ is a massive money spinner and ‘needs’ protecting😎.
 
FWIW, the most comprehensive analysis of food production carried out to date, done by Oxford University in 2018 showed that the single, biggest way a person can reduce their impact on the environment would be to stop eating meat and dairy.

Avoiding meat and dairy is ‘single biggest way’ to reduce your impact on Earth
Being vegan can still increase C02 emissions.

Where does the food come from & how was it produced? Frequently the answers are that carbon footprints are not reduced. Locally slaughtered and butchered meat can have a lower footprint than vegan food processed, transported and shipped from abroad.

The UK cant produce enough vegan food for the populace. The UK has to import. A large part of my vegan diet is imported.
 
Being vegan can still increase C02 emissions.

Where does the food come from & how was it produced? Frequently the answers are that carbon footprints are not reduced. Locally slaughtered and butchered meat can have a lower footprint than vegan food processed, transported and shipped from abroad.

The UK cant produce enough vegan food for the populace. The UK has to import. A large part of my vegan diet is imported.
Some vegan stuff has a terrible impact on the environment - Soya for example knackers the rainforests etc etc. Having said that the uk doesn't produce enough food for the country full stop so in relation to vegan food it isn't any more relevant to meat and dairy - the UK cant feed its self on any diet without imports of all foods. There certainly isn't enough local meat to feed us all and the carbon footprint from local meat is a lot higher than the carbon footprint from local veg. Good on you for living vegan, I try but it's bloody hard!
 
Some vegan stuff has a terrible impact on the environment - Soya for example knackers the rainforests etc etc. Having said that the uk doesn't produce enough food for the country full stop so in relation to vegan food it isn't any more relevant to meat and dairy - the UK cant feed its self on any diet without imports of all foods. There certainly isn't enough local meat to feed us all and the carbon footprint from local meat is a lot higher than the carbon footprint from local veg. Good on you for living vegan, I try but it's bloody hard!
Yes a vegan lifestyle is not necessarily as beneficial as it is frequently portaryed, its oversimplified. Vegan = Better. Frequently the meat alternatives are not more friendly to the enviroment.

There is a narrative being pushed that veganism is up at the top of the zenith of THE answers. Reality is far more compex. The UK is meat eating nation, it has evolved as a meat eating nation as does the world, the way we produce our food and import it has evolved over decades. We cant just change our food production and agricultural systems evolved over centuries as an answer to saving the planet. That is crass thinking.

Meat eating is not going to steal the future Greta and co - The continued use of animals and meat eating have to be part of the answers to enviromental challenges.
 
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