This is the most corrupt government we’ve ever had

BlindBoyGrunt said:
That's not exactly ripping up trees is it.
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We're in the middle of a pandemic, the Tories have an 80 seat majority and the next GE is over 4 years away. What is it you're expecting him to do exactly given the circumstances I've described? Sensible, tangible, achievable answers only.
 
I wouldn’t worry. Any government that simultaneously fails to stop people dying in a pandemic and also destroys the economy is on borrowed time. Either/or would of been a result but both? Even I might consider voting Labour at the next election for the first time now Corbyn is gone.
 
r00fie1 said:
If you realise this and are happy to tell us all about it - it appears that you and others are at least complicit in fraud - by saying nothing!
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I am aware of it being possible at a macro level. I didn't see anything happening personally, its not my department.

I can do no more than I can about drink drivers. I'm aware it happens and I can help stop individuals doing it if it happens in my presence but I can't stop it happening UK wide. That doesn't mean I think we should ban drinking or driving.
 
boromike85 said:
I am aware of it being possible at a macro level. I didn't see anything happening personally, its not my department.

I can do no more than I can about drink drivers. I'm aware it happens and I can help stop individuals doing it if it happens in my presence but I can't stop it happening UK wide. That doesn't mean I think we should ban drinking or driving.
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If you work with public money - as I do - by providing a service, completing training, claiming travelling expenses, having a responbsibility for resources used in the process: - I am accountable for my actions. If I come into possession of knowledge that a colleague or any other person / organisation is potentially commiting fraud or any other potential criminal offence, it is my duty to report it.
What happens after that is up to seniors, but if there is a record - a paper trail - which shows that duty has been fulfilled, it doesnt matter if you are a sprat or a shark in a big pond.


Drink - driving - is an irrelevant red herring.
 
BoroFur said:
We're in the middle of a pandemic, the Tories have an 80 seat majority and the next GE is over 4 years away. What is it you're expecting him to do exactly given the circumstances I've described? Sensible, tangible, achievable answers only.
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Politics begins and ends in the street.
It was Tony Benn who said "we shouldnt equate Parliament with Democracy"(y)
 
r00fie1 said:
If you work with public money - as I do - by providing a service, completing training, claiming travelling expenses, having a responbsibility for resources used in the process: - I am accountable for my actions. If I come into possession of knowledge that a colleague or any other person / organisation is potentially commiting fraud or any other potential criminal offence, it is my duty to report it.
What happens after that is up to seniors, but if there is a record - a paper trail - which shows that duty has been fulfilled, it doesnt matter if you are a sprat or a shark in a big pond.


Drink - driving - is an irrelevant red herring.
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I agree, but I have no evidence. I'm just aware that the tendering rules are there yo prevent certain things and abandoning the rules means people will force their way in and take advantage. My only point is that the benefits from acting quickly outweigh the negatives because that speed may have saved lives. In no way do I agree that over spending and fraud are a good thing, just an unwanted consequence.
 
Nobby_Barnes said:
I'm not defending it, just pointing out that Labour have done just as bad,if not worse with the illegal war with Iraq. Thousands of inoccent people lost their lives.
It appears to have been forgotten about on here....
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"It appears to have been forgotten about on here."

You obviously haven't been paying attention over these past 13** years.
 
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Nobby_Barnes said:
I'm not defending it, just pointing out that Labour have done just as bad,if not worse with the illegal war with Iraq. Thousands of inoccent people lost their lives.
It appears to have been forgotten about on here....
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Nothing like blaming Labour for the war in Iraq when the Tories were fully behind it...
 
The Iraq war led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and the displacement of millions of refugees, It devastated Iraq’s infrastructure and society. The occupation fostered a lethal sectarianism that turned into a civil war. The war fuelled and spread terrorism across the region. Parliament was misled by a number of senior members in government at the time.
 
Nobby_Barnes said:
The Iraq war led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and the displacement of millions of refugees, It devastated Iraq’s infrastructure and society. The occupation fostered a lethal sectarianism that turned into a civil war. The war fuelled and spread terrorism across the region. Parliament was misled by a number of senior members in government at the time.
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Whataboutery alert!!!
 
Nobby_Barnes said:
Yeah Labour haven't been in power since...
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They haven't but it's been a constant theme on here for the past 13** years, not sure what Labour being out of power for the last 10 has to do with it.

And for the record -

Ayes -
Labour Party (254), Conservative Party (146), Ulster Unionist Party (6), Democratic Unionist Party (5), Independent Conservative (1)

Noes -
Labour Party (84), Liberal Democrats (52), Scottish National Party (5), Plaid Cymru (4), Conservative Party (2), Independent Community and Health Concern (1), Social Democratic and Labour Party (1)

Abstentions -
Speaker of the House (1), Labour Party (69), Conservative Party (17), Sinn Féin (4), Social Democratic and Labour Party (2), Liberal Democrats (1)

Couldn't have done it without the Tories.

**Edit - 17 years, mind elswhere
 
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