This “NHS Data Grab” thing.

Soutra said:
It is anonymised.
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Not very well though according to gp's. They are against this, as they were in 2014 when it was first abandoned. They, gp's have been threatened by legal action of they don't comply and the BMA have asked them not to comply with the end of June so they can get the message out. That's why the deadline for opt out was pushed back.

It's a money grab nothing more or less.
 
Anton_Berg said:
Has everyone opted out of Facebook and all the other 'Big Brothers'?
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No but then again they don't have access to my medical records.
FatCat said:
Genuine question as I haven’t looked into this.
my uneducated initial thought is:

what is it that scares you so much about sharing your data? What have you got to hide?
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What have I got to hide?

Well how about my personal medical history that I don't particularly want American Insurance companies to have free access?
 
DCI_Gene_Hunt said:
No but then again they don't have access to my medical records.

What have I got to hide?

Well how about my personal medical history that I don't particularly want American Insurance companies to have free access?
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Do you have a lot of dealings with American insurance companies?
 
Data is power. A few years ago the door lock went on our front door. I rang my house insurance company. They said that it would be £100 excess to fix it. I told them to leave it and I would get it fixed myself. It cost £80 for a new lock. The following year I went onto a home insurance comparison website and put in my details. I found a policy I was happy with and went to pay but it wouldn’t accept my card. I tried another company and the same thing happened. I then rang the first company and they said that the reason why was that I had not answered the questions correctly. They said that to the question “Have you had a claim in the last year” I answered no when it should have been yes. The fact that I had rang the insurance company asking how much it was to fix the lock was classed as an “incident”. This added £30 to the price of the policy! As most of the insurance companies shared this information with each other they were all charging more because of this phone call about the door lock that I had made. In the end I went to another insurance company who were not on a price comparison website. That is why I don’t like my data being passed to unknown people without my knowledge.
 
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I am an ex credit and marketing data analyst. You would be shocked if you knew the level of insight that can be gained by the typical person who lives at a postcode. This data is anonymised, however it is used at a postcode level and then segmented into types and groups, that are then used for targeting and profiling.
So I could profile on Age, ethnicity, type of house, value and ownership. Family size.
Hobbies, employment, media usage (newspaper and internet), type of car, holidays Uk and abroad.
Health, likelihood of suffering from major classifications of illness, Death rate, crime rate.
Finance, indebtedness and bankruptcy, CCJ and credit repayment. Voters Roll.

Organisations use this data all of the time, in any system as soon as you enter your postcode this data is assessing and segmenting you into differing actions and can be used in various risk and underwriting strategies.

As your worst fears are already being used, I would rather they use correct data about me, rather than lumping me in to a postcode.
I dont want to lose my privacy, but equally I want to be treated as an individual.
 
sambaDTR said:
Data is power. A few years ago the door lock went on our front door. I rang my house insurance company. They said that it would be £100 excess to fix it. I told them to leave it and I would get it fixed myself. It cost £80 for a new lock. The following year I went onto a home insurance comparison website and put in my details. I found a policy I was happy with and went to pay but it wouldn’t accept my card. I tried another company and the same thing happened. I then rang the first company and they said that the reason why was that I had not answered the questions correctly. They said that to the question “Have you had a claim in the last year” I answered no when it should have been yes. The fact that I had rang the insurance company asking how much it was to fix the lock was classed as an “incident”. This added £30 to the price of the policy! As most of the insurance companies shared this information with each other they were all charging more because of this phone call about the door lock that I had made. In the end I went to another insurance company who were not on a price comparison website. That is why I don’t like my data being passed to unknown people without my knowledge.
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A little known fact is that any telephone call to your insurance company is treated as a claim, even if you dont proceed with the claim. When I did some work for one of the companies, I was horrified how they treated customers in terms of claims and ongoing policies.
You will find that information sharing is a clause in most contracts, it is often wrapped up in prevention of fraud. Not declaring previous claims would count as potential fraud even though you are unaware that you have made a claim.
 
The data is well and truly obfuscated (look it up!). Any data passed to a third party will show that person A, aged ?, has this medical history. Its purpose is to facilitate wider access to data for pharmaceutical companies, universities, reseach orgainsations, etc so they can enhance their research capability. No personal data whatsoever is "sold".

And before you shoot me down in flames - yes I work for NHS Digital, so I know my ****.
 
Thing said:
The data is well and truly obfuscated (look it up!). Any data passed to a third party will show that person A, aged ?, has this medical history. Its purpose is to facilitate wider access to data for pharmaceutical companies, universities, reseach orgainsations, etc so they can enhance their research capability. No personal data whatsoever is "sold".

And before you shoot me down in flames - yes I work for NHS Digital, so I know my ****.
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That's a little laughable to be honest. Data had already been given away to amazon. The BMA think it's easy to repersonalise data and have asked gp's not to share it despite the government's stealth approach and threats of legal action against gp's who don't comply.

Defend the organizational you work for by all means, just don't expect me to believe you.
 
Laughing said:
You need to go and look at what the BMA have to say about this mwelo. It would be trivial to personalise the data again.
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It really wasn’t very long ago that you were insisting that the BMA didn’t make public statements as a body.
 
Thing said:
The data is well and truly obfuscated (look it up!). Any data passed to a third party will show that person A, aged ?, has this medical history. Its purpose is to facilitate wider access to data for pharmaceutical companies, universities, reseach orgainsations, etc so they can enhance their research capability. No personal data whatsoever is "sold".

And before you shoot me down in flames - yes I work for NHS Digital, so I know my ****.
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Never let the facts get in the way of a rabid left conspiracy theory.

It’s all part of the grand plan to sell the NHS to the USA…..
 
Mwelolo said:
It really wasn’t very long ago that you were insisting that the BMA didn’t make public statements as a body.
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That's not what I said Mwelo as you well know. I said the BMA don't make medical statements as a body, they are the trade unuion of doctors. They were publishing advice to their members, but nice try
 
Laughing said:
That's not what I said Mwelo as you well know. I said the BMA don't make medical statements as a body, they are the trade unuion of doctors. They were publishing advice to their members, but nice try
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So they may make a statement about data confidentiality but they would never make a statement about Covid?
 
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