The Steffen conundrum

He is rarely "poor with his feet" (though perhaps you should define what you mean by that) to me he seems to get the ball under control easily and naturally, he rarely looks hurried with the ball at his feet. I know some people get a little agitated by this, bless 'em.

I suppose if by "a hell of a lot" you mean about once a game he might misplace a pass then we have agreement. But I would suspect that his pass completion statistics are the equal of any outfield player?

I don't recall him "creating acute danger" yesterday at all, so that's wrong.
He created acute danger by not concentrating at an opposition free kick. They scored.
He seriously misplaces a pass in a very dangerous position every match. If a centre back did that every match he would get pelters.
I don’t have a problem recognising his strengths, or the pressure and risk/reward that playing out from the goalkeeper brings.
I also think he has improved aspects of his game.
I just don’t think he is very good as a package.
I will be very disappointed if we sign him permanently.
 
He created acute danger by not concentrating at an opposition free kick. They scored.
He seriously misplaces a pass in a very dangerous position every match.
FK
Stretching it a bit. Just watched the highlights again on MFC and I have yet to see a view of the free kick from behind the goal. I think Chair bends it in from outside the near post? You might argue that Steffen was slightly out of position. I don't see how that is "concentration"? Judgement perhaps? But it looks to me like the free kick is freakishly accurate almost skimming the paint of the upright and also bouncing just in front of Steffen. Sometimes you just have to acknowledge that the opponent did something so well that it was very difficult to prevent. Take Chuba's second do you blame their keeper for a poor save, blame the QPR defenders for poor awareness or congratulate Chuba for an alert finish?

I don't recall ANY misplaced passes yesterday? Perhaps you are looking for confirmation?
 
He seriously misplaces a pass in a very dangerous position every match. If a centre back did that every match he would get pelters.
He has misplaced 12 passes under 30 yards in 29 matches. Burnley also insist on playing out from the back and their keeper is on 11 misplaced passes under 30 yards.

Statistically he is above average to very good at everything you'd want from a keeper.
 
He certainly kept us in it at Sheff Utd several times. He's the best keeper we've had for a while & I'd agree his game is coming on. He's not up to Randolph / Dimi level yet though broadly a very decent keeper & esp in this division.

I don't buy the 'risk reward' argument - you can pass out from the back without risk - & no pass in our own 3rd & in our area is worth risking allowing a goal [ to no concede is the reason we defend, so it's not OK to fanny about at the back - esp in the area - with a big possibility of losing a goal.

Defenders not taking responsibility & kicking it out when they should - under too much pressure without an 'out ball' should not pass it back to a keeper when they have no option but to kick it long - they should kick it long themselves.

Time & a place for passing around at the back & sometimes the hand grenade will explode - it's knowing that & getting shot before it does.
Absolute nonsense and showing ZERO knowledge of modern football!
 
FK
Stretching it a bit. Just watched the highlights again on MFC and I have yet to see a view of the free kick from behind the goal. I think Chair bends it in from outside the near post? You might argue that Steffen was slightly out of position. I don't see how that is "concentration"? Judgement perhaps? But it looks to me like the free kick is freakishly accurate almost skimming the paint of the upright and also bouncing just in front of Steffen. Sometimes you just have to acknowledge that the opponent did something so well that it was very difficult to prevent. Take Chuba's second do you blame their keeper for a poor save, blame the QPR defenders for poor awareness or congratulate Chuba for an alert finish?

I don't recall ANY misplaced passes yesterday? Perhaps you are looking for confirmation?
Perhaps you just aren’t looking. Even at the replays.
No goalkeeper would be excused for letting that free kick in.
But because Carrick publicly backs him, nobody can criticise anything about him.
I’ve acknowledged the performance at Sheff U, but he did not play well yesterday as he made a fundamental mistake.
 
Im not adding to the debate with this, but more an observation, when we conceded from (ffs ) the free kick,
Crooks reaction, then Lenihans reaction , both were ffs, then commendably Lenihan goes to Steffen to " pick him up "
he did the same at Cardiff last week. True leader that man.
However , last 3 games , all goals conceded by dubious goalkeeping.
 
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No goalkeeper would be excused for letting that free kick in.
I'm not asking for him to be excused and I'm sure he wouldn't seek to excuse it himself. I would say that it was a very well struck free kick and that you just have to acknowledge that. I would like to see the camera view from behind the goal but it seems as if that camera was concentrating on the melee of players positioning themselves to attack/defend a cross that never came.

If you have watched MOTD you will have seen Nick Pope do something so monumentally stupid that there is no excuse to be made. Compare that with a marginal misjudgement of Steffen's positioning for that freekick. You will also have seen the Chelsea keeper beaten by a very good Ward-Prowse fk and an out of position Leeds' Melier beaten at his near post by Colman. You will have seen the ball bounce off Villa's Martinez and into the goal and then see their manager throw him under the bus for going up for a corner from which they conceded a fourth (they were losing anyway, why not?)

Keepers get beaten, that's how goals are scored.

You are being hypercritical. Unfairly in my opinion.
 
Perhaps you just aren’t looking. Even at the replays.
No goalkeeper would be excused for letting that free kick in.
But because Carrick publicly backs him, nobody can criticise anything about him.
I’ve acknowledged the performance at Sheff U, but he did not play well yesterday as he made a fundamental mistake.
Chuba made a fundamental mistake in missing the penalty. He was just lucky where the ball bounced. McGree made a fundamental mistake in letting the keeper tip his shot on to the post at 0-0. You wouldn't say either of these didn't play well because of these mistakes. Steffen had a good game until then, taking crosses, making saves, it's just his one error is harder to come back from than an outfield player's.
 
I DID acknowledge the quality of the strike.
The mistake was not a marginal mis- judgement.
I am not being hyper critical, or even totally critical of him overall.
 
Chuba made a fundamental mistake in missing the penalty. He was just lucky where the ball bounced. McGree made a fundamental mistake in letting the keeper tip his shot on to the post at 0-0. You wouldn't say either of these didn't play well because of these mistakes. Steffen had a good game until then, taking crosses, making saves, it's just his one error is harder to come back from than an outfield player's.
Akpom scored you ****.
 
He is not good enough to play in the prem so another championship team is welcome to him as that is what will happen to him until city can find some clown of a team to take him on his wages.
 
Akpom scored you ****.
Enlightened response, and we'll reasoned.

What I was saying is Steffen didn't have a bad game due to one mistake. He played well yesterday. Other players made serious mistakes in the game but not being the keeper have the chance to make amends, a la Chuba and McGree.

You disagree, that's fine.
 
There’s some clueless people on this thread.

Steffen is a solid 8/10 every game now.

People crying he’s not good enough for a prem team, well I hate to break it to you but we aren’t a prem team.

Amazing how everyone trusts Carrick’s judgment on everything except the keeper 🙄
 
There’s some clueless people on this thread.

Steffen is a solid 8/10 every game now.

People crying he’s not good enough for a prem team, well I hate to break it to you but we aren’t a prem team.

Amazing how everyone trusts Carrick’s judgment on everything except the keeper 🙄
Well he wasn't an 8/10 yesterday that is for sure.
He was at Sheff U.
 
Really?

One mistake in 90 minutes is not 8/10?

OK but I doubt there would a single 8/10 in the whole team, who, lest we forget, won.
Well he was a 6 in the Gazette.
Lenihan, Akpom and McGree were their 8's and I'd agree.

It was a shocking mistake. It's not a one off.
 
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