That's the point i'm trying to make, and that only.
Doesn't seem that way to me, not how you started out, it looked like you were trying to play the numbers down in one way without recognising they would be up in other ways.
Bit of a pointless point (if that was your point) when there will have been at least an equal number missed, more to come, and even more with long-term problems. Never mind the million admitted to hospital who "made it".
But, what you actually wrote:
That 204,000 figure just means that when someone passed away they had a positive covid test within 28 days of their passing. It doesn’t mean 204,000 people have died directly as a result of COVID.
I've described in posts above how it does mean 200k or more have died, more than expected to, it's visible in excess.
Exactly, that means they had covid at the time of death. It does not mean that covid was necessarily the sole reason they passed away even though for some it probably was.
We've probably got 200k excess deaths in real terms, that's more than "some", it's pretty much all of the Covid figure quoted. End of the day those 200k would be alive if they never got covid. Yes, there may be 10k from that covid number, but we can easily make that up from those that were missed. The number is the most important thing, not that John 1 didn't die of covid (like you insinuate), as John 2 took his place (like I explain).
The doctor or coroner certifying a death can record more than one health condition or event on the form. The medical certificate of cause of death has two parts, Part 1 contains the sequence of health conditions or events leading directly to death, while Part 2 can contain other health conditions that contributed to the death but were not part of the direct sequence.
All correct, but there were 200k excess, which was likely caused by Covid. We would have 200k more people alive if it wasn't for covid. The exact makeup of the 200k may be slightly different of the covid no, but there is no reason to doubt that Covid has brought 200k to an early death. For every death certificate which was wrongly attributed, there was another which wasn't attributed in any way, they effectively give the same end result.
No, I’m just saying that not all of the 200,00+ deaths are solely down to covid. There would have been people who died of other illnesses but because they had a positive covid test within 28 days of their death, the government includes it as part of the covid figures. Many people will have died solely from covid but some won’t have. The exact figure I guess we will never know.
There was no other simultaneous pandemic. We will never know the exact no, but we already know we have circa 200k excess (all killed early by covid, in some way). It will be harder to say how many
more were killed by covid, not shown as excess. As in we might have missed 50k more covid (ie it could be 250k for example), and we haven't had 50k worth of RTA's, Work accidents, Heart attacks from over excursion etc. The risk of dying after 2 months of sunbathing would be less than being out active every day. The latter it will be harder to work out.
Contributing factors are just as important. If someone had a 10% chance of dying of a heart attack and covid ups that to 12%, then you might still die of a heart attack, but either way it's still 20% more people dead. Covid increases the risk of so many other things, which is the problem. I could get pushed into the sea, with 1% chance of death but if someone ties my hands and legs before being pushed then I'm certainly going to drown. Being tied won't be the cause of death but it made it happen, and wouldn't have happened otherwise.
someone shoots me in the arm or leg, then I'm going to drown, it won't be the gunshot which kills me, yet I would have survived without being shot.