The National Covid enquiry starts today

Jedi boro

Jedi boro

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It will be interesting where this goes and how it develops and hopefully the relatives get the peace and the justice they so deserve.

the death toll of the virus in the UK is currently just over 204,000.
 
It's good to read that as well as the sad impact that COVID deaths have had on people the inquiry will also be looking at the impact COVID had on other areas of life.
 
That 204,000 figure just means that when someone passed away they had a positive covid test within 28 days of their passing. It doesn’t mean 204,000 people have died directly as a result of COVID.
 
Fat_Dragon said:
That 204,000 figure just means that when someone passed away they had a positive covid test within 28 days of their passing. It doesn’t mean 204,000 people have died directly as a result of COVID.
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As you can see above, the 204,000 is not the within 28 days figure. It’s actually the number of people with covid on their death certificate.

Stop minimising it.
 
sherlock1969 said:
As you can see above, the 204,000 is not the within 28 days figure. It’s actually the number of people with covid on their death certificate.

Stop minimising it.
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Exactly, that means they had covid at the time of death. It does not mean that covid was necessarily the sole reason they passed away even though for some it probably was.
 
Fat_Dragon said:
Exactly, that means they had covid at the time of death. It does not mean that covid was necessarily the sole reason they passed away even though for some it probably was.
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No, stop talking nonsense. It means covid was a cause of death. A doctor wouldn't put covid on the death certificate unless it was a cause of death. What is your motivation for minimising this?
 
sherlock1969 said:
As you can see above, the 204,000 is not the within 28 days figure. It’s actually the number of people with covid on their death certificate.

Stop minimising it.
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And it's not the right figure either. COVID is responsible for a lot more than 204,000 deaths. Nobody wants to talk about the other reasons though.
 
sherlock1969 said:
No, stop talking nonsense. It means covid was a cause of death. A doctor wouldn't put covid on the death certificate unless it was a cause of death. What is your motivation for minimising this?
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I don’t think you know how death certificates work.

The doctor or coroner certifying a death can record more than one health condition or event on the form. The medical certificate of cause of death has two parts, Part 1 contains the sequence of health conditions or events leading directly to death, while Part 2 can contain other health conditions that contributed to the death but were not part of the direct sequence.
 
sherlock1969 said:
I'm sorry for your loss, that's terrible. Many families want the inquiry though, they want people who were negligent in their decision making to be held accountable.
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And WHAT will happen to those held accountable, sweet FA. No jails, struck off, sacked or feck all, so why bother. Did not see her for 3 months before she went so to me it's a load of ballax. As long as we learn about past mistakes then so be it. This should not get into a Blue verse Red argument as not one party would have had a clue what to do and I did not see Red backing Blue up at all.
 
Fat_Dragon said:
I don’t think you know how death certificates work.

The doctor or coroner certifying a death can record more than one health condition or event on the form. The medical certificate of cause of death has two parts, Part 1 contains the sequence of health conditions or events leading directly to death, while Part 2 can contain other health conditions that contributed to the death but were not part of the direct sequence.
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And I don't think you understand the word contribute. Look it up. It means to help cause or bring about. If covid contributed to the death it caused it. The fact that someone had another condition is irrelevant....that condition would not have killed them at that time unless they got covid.

In any case, given your certainty in your (flawed) argument, I assume you have evidence that in your scenario these 200,000+ deaths only mentioned covid in part 2?
 
Norfolkred1 said:
And WHAT will happen to those held accountable, sweet FA. No jails, struck off, sacked or feck all, so why bother. Did not see her for 3 months before she went so to me it's a load of ballax. As long as we learn about past mistakes then so be it. This should not get into a Blue verse Red argument as not one party would have had a clue what to do and I did not see Red backing Blue up at all.
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They literally ignored the scientific advice for weeks before lockdown, directly causing thousands of deaths. They knowingly sent infected people back to care homes, causing more deaths. They did ridiculously stupid things like eat out to help out which kicked off another wave. They should be in prison for manslaughter.
 
sherlock1969 said:
And I don't think you understand the word contribute. Look it up. It means to cause or bring about. If covid contributed to the death it caused it. The fact that someone had another condition is irrelevant....that condition would not have killed them at that time unless they got covid.

In any case, given your certainty in your (flawed) argument, I assume you have evidence that in your scenario these 200,000+ deaths only mentioned covid in part 2?
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No, I’m just saying that not all of the 200,00+ deaths are solely down to covid. There would have been people who died of other illnesses but because they had a positive covid test within 28 days of their death, the government includes it as part of the covid figures. Many people will have died solely from covid but some won’t have. The exact figure I guess we will never know.
 
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