The killings of innocents.

I’m sure someone will be along soon to try and explain some difference. It’s different when we do it innit. Veterans on the streets. Houses going to illegal immigrants. Etc etc
 
We can condemn Russia because we are people, ordinary civilians who are not only horrified by our own soldiers actions to ordinary Afghan people but also just as we are by Russian soldiers against Ukrainian civilians, I will keep critizing these horrors thank you and not have the mantle of hypocrite placed on me. This is is the problem with politics of any colour it can make horrific actions seem exscusable when not committed by the system or power who you oppose, maybe you were expecting some apologist to come from the other side, Sorry! Just an ordinary person who isnt keen on any hiding or excusing of these military murders from any side.

Oh yeah I did go on anti war matches at the time and have subsequently campaigned against drone attacks in border areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan which horrifyingly may have been using algorithms to pick targets.

The above post and the OP are a really bad sign of the times from different sides but full of hate.
 
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I cannot begin to understand the stresses that are put upon soldiers in a war zone. Particularly in "asymmetrical" wars (insurgents/terrorists v. regular troops) such Afghanistan and Iraq.

Even in conflicts like WW2 there were many cases of Allied troops (including British regiments) killing unarmed/surrendered soldiers. What we should not do is judge these people from our sofas. What should happen is that they face military courts and justice. We expect better than this but we cannot expect the combatants we have trained to kill to behave like boy scouts.
 
War is hell and as much as we would like nice, neat goodies vs baddies quite often the lines are blurred, it is why war should always be the very last option, there is no glory in war, just death, destruction, heartbreak and despair.

Extreme situations cause terrible things and despite the rights and wrongs of going into any conflict once a war has started both sides will be responsible for behaviour that is deserving of condemnation but when we create armed forces that are killing machines and put them into action then you can't expect behaviour normal to other scenarios.
 
Bigstrongman said:
To be honest the minute they release them, they pick the guns back up and join the fight trying to kill you again.
So fcuk if they killed them,

Taliban were very clever over there, as soon as they drop the guns they claim they're not soldiers but as soon as you leave them, they find the guns again shooting at you.
The soldiers knew that and at some point probably sick of seeing the same 'civilians' who literally dropped the guns. Probably thought fcuk this just kill them.

A man can only take so much, if your seeing the same Taliban man, with the same old bull sh't story, sooner or later you going to get rid of them,
B0ll0cks to all the PC nonsense

Kill them or be killed. Simple
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The difference is we invaded their country and killed people on their own land, when you invade a country people are going to fight back, why are they the bad guys for doing what most people would do and defend themselves. I'm sure there are some complexities, but killing innocent people can never be right.
 
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Muttley said:
I cannot begin to understand the stresses that are put upon soldiers in a war zone. Particularly in "asymmetrical" wars (insurgents/terrorists v. regular troops) such Afghanistan and Iraq.

Even in conflicts like WW2 there were many cases of Allied troops (including British regiments) killing unarmed/surrendered soldiers. What we should not do is judge these people from our sofas. What should happen is that they face military courts and justice. We expect better than this but we cannot expect the combatants we have trained to kill to behave like boy scouts.
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Yep. This is why you just don't start wars in the first place.
 
BBC Panorama are showing a programme tonight on BBC 1 at 9pm about the claims. Its already on iPlayer to watch.
 
I take it you have seen Saving Private Ryan, when they let the German soldier free ? Obviousy this is a movie but it does happen
Being the good guy doesn't always work, sometimes people need to realize what the Taliban were capable of over there.
Sick of it now where people always think they need to do the moral thing by letting terrorists free, because its 'the right thing to do'

Do you think any of those Taliban soldiers would have went home and told their mates not to join the war because the British soldiers were actually quite sound because they let them go? Like I say they have a proven history of being let go and picking the gun straight back up.
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Or (a) read the article. The SAS were planting the 'dropped' guns.

And (b) follow the ROE and stick to the Geneva Convention or don't play soldiers.

This (as described) is murder. Pure and simple. No excuses.
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And how do you know they 'planted' the dropped guns? Taliban were renowned for dropping them, soon as British forces caught them with no weapons they had bruises from the guns which is a common thing, sometimes bullets on them and claimed they just found them, funnily enough the weapons were also just yards from where they found the soldiers. Then saying they were out walking, when in fact the place was lit up with gun fire 5 mins prior.

If you see the same bloke telling the same story, 'I got the bruises from holy beads (Ross Kemp in Afghanistan has this documented on camera if you haven't seen it), I was just out walking in the firing range, I found the bullets so I picked them up to hand over' while the same time your mates are being killed from the bull **** then your going to kill them, I know I would and I wouldn't think twice about doing it.

Id be thinking about my family back home rather than taking a risk and letting him go because of hearing the same story again
 
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Bigstrongman said:
To be honest the minute they release them, they pick the guns back up and join the fight trying to kill you again.
So fcuk if they killed them,

Taliban were very clever over there, as soon as they drop the guns they claim they're not soldiers but as soon as you leave them, they find the guns again shooting at you.
The soldiers knew that and at some point probably sick of seeing the same 'civilians' who literally dropped the guns. Probably thought fcuk this just kill them.

A man can only take so much, if your seeing the same Taliban man, with the same old bull sh't story, sooner or later you going to get rid of them,
B0ll0cks to all the PC nonsense

Kill them or be killed. Simple
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Murder is PC nonsense now. Mint.
 
Thankfully I've never had to fight for my life in a war zone so I can't imagine what hell people go through from the safety of my sofa.
Seems like quite a few people can easily do it though.
 
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You are either for a war or against it. If you ask other people or other peoples' children to go to war on your behalf, can you really ask any more of them?
 
Bigstrongman said:
I take it you have seen Saving Private Ryan, when they let the German soldier free ? Obviousy this is a movie but it does happen
Being the good guy doesn't always work, sometimes people need to realize what the Taliban were capable of over there.
Sick of it now where people always think they need to do the moral thing by letting terrorists free, because its 'the right thing to do'

Do you think any of those Taliban soldiers would have went home and told their mates not to join the war because the British soldiers were actually quite sound because they let them go? Like I say they have a proven history of being let go and picking the gun straight back up.

And how do you know they 'planted' the dropped guns? Taliban were renowned for dropping them, soon as British forces caught them with no weapons they had bruises from the guns which is a common thing, sometimes bullets on them and claimed they just found them, funnily enough the weapons were also just yards from where they found the soldiers. Then saying they were out walking, when in fact the place was lit up with gun fire 5 mins prior.

If you see the same bloke telling the same story, 'I got the bruises from holy beads (Ross Kemp in Afghanistan has this documented on camera if you haven't seen it), I was just out walking in the firing range, I found the bullets so I picked them up to hand over' while the same time your mates are being killed from the bull **** then your going to kill them, I know I would and I wouldn't think twice about doing it.

Id be thinking about my family back home rather than taking a risk and letting him go because of hearing the same story again
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This wasn't people claiming to be 'out for a stroll' moments after a gunfight, though.

This was people taken from their beds at night and restrained.

Then they were taken back into the houses and shot.

There isn't a 'heat of battle' excuse that can be used here, assuming the accusations are sound.
 
Bigstrongman said:
To be honest the minute they release them, they pick the guns back up and join the fight trying to kill you again.
So fcuk if they killed them,

Taliban were very clever over there, as soon as they drop the guns they claim they're not soldiers but as soon as you leave them, they find the guns again shooting at you.
The soldiers knew that and at some point probably sick of seeing the same 'civilians' who literally dropped the guns. Probably thought fcuk this just kill them.

A man can only take so much, if your seeing the same Taliban man, with the same old bull sh't story, sooner or later you going to get rid of them,
B0ll0cks to all the PC nonsense

Kill them or be killed. Simple
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Wow
 
Bigstrongman said:
I take it you have seen Saving Private Ryan, when they let the German soldier free ? Obviousy this is a movie but it does happen
Being the good guy doesn't always work, sometimes people need to realize what the Taliban were capable of over there.
Sick of it now where people always think they need to do the moral thing by letting terrorists free, because its 'the right thing to do'

Do you think any of those Taliban soldiers would have went home and told their mates not to join the war because the British soldiers were actually quite sound because they let them go? Like I say they have a proven history of being let go and picking the gun straight back up.

And how do you know they 'planted' the dropped guns? Taliban were renowned for dropping them, soon as British forces caught them with no weapons they had bruises from the guns which is a common thing, sometimes bullets on them and claimed they just found them, funnily enough the weapons were also just yards from where they found the soldiers. Then saying they were out walking, when in fact the place was lit up with gun fire 5 mins prior.

If you see the same bloke telling the same story, 'I got the bruises from holy beads (Ross Kemp in Afghanistan has this documented on camera if you haven't seen it), I was just out walking in the firing range, I found the bullets so I picked them up to hand over' while the same time your mates are being killed from the bull **** then your going to kill them, I know I would and I wouldn't think twice about doing it.

Id be thinking about my family back home rather than taking a risk and letting him go because of hearing the same story again
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I was initially appalled at the allegations, but having re-watched Saving Private Ryan starring Tom Hanks and Ross Kemp, you're completely right.
 
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