The end?

HolgateCorner said:
I thought some of the responses were getting a bit abusive including being accused of racism and being some kind of drug addict
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Oh come off it. I pointed out that your phrasing of a "they're all Slavs" SOUNDED racist (others pointed out that it was also inaccurate). I did not accuse you of racism. The other post (not from me) was "are you on drugs?" from someone incredulous of the line you were taking. Don't try to be the victim here.

As for "robustly questioning" you were labelling people as "warmongers" whilst failing to suggest what people should be doing as an alternative method of stopping Putin.
 
Muttley said:
Oh come off it. I pointed out that your phrasing of a "they're all Slavs" SOUNDED racist (others pointed out that it was also inaccurate). I did not accuse you of racism. The other post (not from me) was "are you on drugs?" from someone incredulous of the line you were taking. Don't try to be the victim here.

As for "robustly questioning" you were labelling people as "warmongers" whilst failing to suggest what people should be doing as an alternative method of stopping Putin.
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Yes and I apologised, with respect I’m a bit old to play the victim, I accept I may have wound a few people up, let’s hope the war ends soon.
 
HolgateCorner said:
Thanks for that, I don’t mind posting but I thought some of the responses were getting a bit abusive including being accused of racism and being some kind of drug addict so my instinct was to dip out rather than wind people up on an emotive issue.

I think one of the problems is that if you start robustly questioning the current strategy on this war some people assume you are some kind of pacifist at all costs who is happy to give in to Putin which is the exact opposite of what I think, I agree Putin and his like must never be allowed to succeed.
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You questioned the current strategy without providing any suggestions for what you think should actually be happening.

All whilst making snide and offensive remarks to other posters calling them warmongers and telling me to "keep loading my rifle", which is completely out of order.

The very fact the war is even happening is sickening, but there's no real way out of it except by Ukraine defending itself and ejecting Russia.
Russia isn't backing down, they've been given so many opportunities to avoid the war and then to end the war, they've rejected them all.

If "neutral" nations could be brought on side, it might be easier to end the war, China in particular, as it would further isolate Putin's Russia, but the Ukrainians still need the capacity to defend themselves whilst they're being invaded.

That's not warmongering, that's a fact.
 
TeaCider said:
You questioned the current strategy without providing any suggestions for what you think should actually be happening.

All whilst making snide and offensive remarks to other posters calling them warmongers and telling me to "keep loading my rifle", which is completely out of order.

The very fact the war is even happening is sickening, but there's no real way out of it except by Ukraine defending itself and ejecting Russia.
Russia isn't backing down, they've been given so many opportunities to avoid the war and then to end the war, they've rejected them all.

If "neutral" nations could be brought on side, it might be easier to end the war, China in particular, as it would further isolate Putin's Russia, but the Ukrainians still need the capacity to defend themselves whilst they're being invaded.

That's not warmongering, that's a fact.
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Yes agree, once again, apologies if I offended.
 
HolgateCorner said:
Thanks for that, I don’t mind posting but I thought some of the responses were getting a bit abusive including being accused of racism and being some kind of drug addict so my instinct was to dip out rather than wind people up on an emotive issue.
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No worries, I received a lot of greatly appreciated goodwill from a number of posters on this board when I left Russia, and whilst I’ve never been an intentionally controversial or offensive poster, I have made an effort since then to always double check my posts on here for balance and civility as an acknowledgment and slight repayment of that goodwill. I hope I usually succeed!

Yes, it certainly got heated and I don’t think you said anything intended as racism, the Slavic world is large and complicated but Putin tries to lump a number of Eastern Slavic groups together (with Russian ethnic/cultural/linguistic supremacy of course) so whilst Russians and Ukrainians have an incredible amount of similarities, there is still much that makes them distinct, but certainly not enough to make a war over.


HolgateCorner said:
I think one of the problems is that if you start robustly questioning the current strategy on this war some people assume you are some kind of pacifist at all costs who is happy to give in to Putin which is the exact opposite of what I think, I agree Putin and his like must never be allowed to succeed.
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There’s nothing wrong with pacifism and questioning the status quo, I’ll never criticise you for that - I might question how we can end this war without either making serious concessions to Putin or supporting Ukraine as I struggle to see other options, but I am open to them and anything that could bring this to a peaceful and acceptable conclusion (to the Ukrainians especially) would be very welcome. I’m always willing to be corrected when I’m wrong or shown a better way, so please keep contributing and questioning.
 
Russia due to announce the formal annexation of the 4 areas of Ukraine that held the fake referenda.

Things might be about to go up a notch sadly.
 
HolgateCorner said:
With respect I think there is more to it than that.

This is Slav v Slav don’t forget, they are one and the same.
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Ermmm. Bit dodgy this like.

Are Vietnamese and Chinese the same?? If China illegally invaded Northern Vietnam and took two provinces would it be 'an argument between two men'?

Because they're historically and ethnically similar/the same, it doesn't mean their country or heritage is easy game for someone else to take.

Awful comment that erases the Ukrainian identity and apologises for the tryrannical actions of the man behind this.
 
Randy said:
I just don't see why he would resort to sabotaging the pipelines when he could just turn them off.
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It could be a warning that they could do similar to other infrastructure as Galeotti states in the article, but I’m very unsure on this one.
 
Big_Nothing said:
Ermmm. Bit dodgy this like.

Are Vietnamese and Chinese the same?? If China illegally invaded Northern Vietnam and took two provinces would it be 'an argument between two men'?

Because they're historically and ethnically similar/the same, it doesn't mean their country or heritage is easy game for someone else to take.

Awful comment that erases the Ukrainian identity and apologises for the tryrannical actions of the man behind this.
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For what it's worth, I don't think HolgateCorner intended to cause any offence or infer any sort of racism.

It was poorly worded which he himself accepts and so let's move on, he's apologised and there is a much bigger subject to discuss here which is the appalling war and how it can hopefully be ended with as little bloodshed as possible.
 
WeeGord said:
Russia due to announce the formal annexation of the 4 areas of Ukraine that held the fake referenda.

Things might be about to go up a notch sadly.
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To me at least, that just increases the likelihood of Ukraine trying to take back Crimea if it has the opportunity.

Before now, despite the noise, I think the Ukrainians will have privately accepted that they'd lost it and not to push their luck with Russia formally considering it theirs, having lost it 8 years ago and considering the demographic make-up.

But now Russia is annexing 4 partially controlled regions that Ukraine is already trying to regain, that potential taboo of "Russian territory" is gone from Crimea.

Just seems like another in a long list of mistakes from Putin.
 
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It also sadly now removes any potential face saving off ramp for Putin and Russia.

A few months ago they could have at least attempted to spin a "job done on cleansing Ukraine of Nazis and defending the separatist republics" whilst pulling out, now they can't back down and will have to be forced out and Russia will either have to amend it's constitution and renounce the claims or Ukraine will always have to have be on high alert for another invasion.

That or Ukraine surrenders the territory.
 
Very effective foreign policy: invade and annex by sham referendum and then threaten to nuke because what is now the motherland is being threatened.
 
Bristolboro said:
Very effective foreign policy: invade and annex by sham referendum and then threaten to nuke because what is now the motherland is being threatened.
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I don't think so.

They were threatening nukes before the annexation, and actual Russia has already been struck during this war.

It also changes nothing about the international view on the conflict, or the reaction that would follow if they did use nuclear weapons.

No major country will recognise the annexations, not even China, and none would wave away the breaking of the biggest military taboo in using nukes.
 
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