Humpty
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Interesting tact. You're branding me a liar for presenting facts that dispel your claim. Nice.
The Carrick out crew
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BoroMart
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Hardly. Your facts were not relevant and you still aren’t engaging honestly. We’re done here
BoroMart
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It is, but you haven't shown the self awareness to figure out the role you are playing in this scenario
Powerhouse
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Why didnt MFC edit out the start of millwall press conference when they edited it down from 1 hour that it was when live to save carrick from himself.
Laughing
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Not sure why you think he needed saving from himself.
BoroMart
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Because he’s a spanner, really easy block, not sure if it’s a ‘character’ or a mackem on a windup
Humpty
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I’m all ears if you want to offer a counter.
Powerhouse
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Today result will tell the story of how many are behind carrick.
Ex Footy Legs
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The fact that you say something like this tells a story about Carrick and his under performing team - always a couple of results from the supporters really questioning his future.
He’s got his ‘style’ of football but proven to be limited with his ability to be flexible with his style and build a squad with the mix of mentalities required to be successful in the championship
Powerhouse
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Its a outright winable game & no one should be happy with a draw saying we are still team building its been over 2 years.
Colgates_shaving_foam
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He's always a couple of results away from cranks questioning his future, as are all managers.
I hate not winning and get very annoyed but we can't change the manager after every defeat.
festa5
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Hate to break it you, but I can pretty much guarantee we won't win every "winnable" game this season.
And, this is will blow your mind, neither will the team that ends up finishing top.
SCG
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Has he got what you’ve been looking for?
BoroMart
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It’s pretty easy hunpty. Leeds, Sheff Utd and Burnley all have better squads .massive amount of funding compared to us, both in terms of transfer market spend and wages, wage budget of course has proven time and again to be the best correlation with league position (it’s not 100 accurate, but it’s a massive factory). Dan James quality player cost more than our whole team. Joel Piroe a player lots of our fans wanted, sat on their bench.l because we couldn’t afford him as a starter but they can afford him as a reserve.
We’ve one of 4-6 teams with some very good players and some not good enough to challenge….and we are in that matching league position right now, which considering our injury issues isn’t a bad return. Doesn’t mean we can’t be disappointed to be a bit higher but it’s in the range that we should expect.
Football is about scoring more than you concede, and just because you can put 6 past a poor side doesn’t mean you can get 1 or 2 or keep a cleansheet away to the best teams. We have players regularly in our side that wouldn’t get in those big three squads or Watford, West Brom or Sunderland.
Your turn, try and keep it clean this time instead of bollox about moving goalposts
Humpty
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Hang on, I questioned the basis on which you responded to the points I made, you questioned my honesty and I’m the one not keeping it clean? For the purposes of moving the discussion forward, I’ll park that.
I get your argument you’re basing your argument on the value of players but how does that stack up when we spent more than Sheffield United in the summer transfer window? Of course they spent money last year but many of those players left in the summer so they had to re-build their squad. Without going into the merits of that argument too much, it doesn’t give us any real basis for compassion, other than two clubs subjective values of a player. Surely most would take Ben Doak over Dan James for example? Or what about Finn Azaz outperforming Gustavo Hamer in many of the metrics that matter to their position?
My point is the comparison of the squads. I believe we have comparative squad to those in the top 3. You disagreed so I demonstrated my point by pointing towards the actual output of our players in certain areas compared to those of other top 3 squads. No squad is perfect and some will be stronger in certain areas but that’s on the manager to negotiate those weaker areas of the squad.
You’re right in saying league performance (or scoring more than you let in more often than other teams) is the ultimate indicator of a clubs success but for me that’s a reflection of the combination of the management and the squad. Our management being the difference to us at present in my opinion.
I get your argument you’re basing your argument on the value of players but how does that stack up when we spent more than Sheffield United in the summer transfer window? Of course they spent money last year but many of those players left in the summer so they had to re-build their squad. Without going into the merits of that argument too much, it doesn’t give us any real basis for compassion, other than two clubs subjective values of a player. Surely most would take Ben Doak over Dan James for example? Or what about Finn Azaz outperforming Gustavo Hamer in many of the metrics that matter to their position?
My point is the comparison of the squads. I believe we have comparative squad to those in the top 3. You disagreed so I demonstrated my point by pointing towards the actual output of our players in certain areas compared to those of other top 3 squads. No squad is perfect and some will be stronger in certain areas but that’s on the manager to negotiate those weaker areas of the squad.
You’re right in saying league performance (or scoring more than you let in more often than other teams) is the ultimate indicator of a clubs success but for me that’s a reflection of the combination of the management and the squad. Our management being the difference to us at present in my opinion.
BoroMart
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The overall cost to put the squad together is far more relevant than one window.
Not sure what compassion has to do with anything but it’s a fact that their squad has had a lot more investment, of course you can argue that they’ve spent badly or we’ve spent well, but ultimately money tends to talk.
Making conclusions based on a single metric is a terribly flawed way of “proving” anything. By your logic it is proof that Derby County have a better squad than Burnley, based on the fact Derby have scored more goals…..that’s plainly a ludicrous stance, but seems to be the stance you are taking based on using that single metric
Abel Tasman
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Interesting that you think we have a squad comparable with the best in the division. After every defeat the doomsay sages on here go for almost every player with comments like “not good enough” “too slow” “found out” etc etc.
Either the players aren’t good enough for top 2 or they are good enough but not managed well. You can’t say both if you feel we are underperforming.
The truth is probably in the current position of play off contenders which is where I expected us to be at the start of the season and especially following key injuries. Carrick is now getting the best out of Azaz, getting Dijksteel to a level above and Lath continues to improve this season.
Humpty
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Other people’s opinions have got nothing to do with my point. It’s not really relevant.
I’d rather compare their performance and quality based on the stuff they do on the pitch rather than figures agreed in the boardroom but that’s just me.
BoroMart
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Yes but the metrics you used are beyond flaws because those metrics you use “prove” that Derby has a better squad than Burnley..admit it your metrics are not worth the anything at all and budget is faa far better predictor