The Carrick out crew

Cardiffdaffs said:
Thats true but.... Sunderland 11 Swansea 10
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Sunderland had a cracking start and have fallen off a cliff recently. Were much of a muchness thus far in our season and I’m co didn’t we will finish ahead of them.

Swansea the most defensive boring team in the league. Well organised but toothless, as I said on another thread, the game is about scoring more than you let in. Swansea have scored just 21 goals.

Soutra said:
Everybody on here reckons Boro's squad is better than Sunderland's squad, but they are 6 points ahead.
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They got off to a flier, but we’ve been reeling them in, they do have some very talented youngsters, can’t really deny that. I think both squads have some gaping quality holes though
 
BoroMart said:
The game is about scoring more than you let in, not just scoring. So that’s not a metric of our squad quality at all
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Actual GD might be worthy is it?
Sunderland 5 better than us and 6 points better off.
They are doing better than us, with far less support from their leadership.

The top 3 miles better than us.

Frankly I'd also look at Blackburn with no budget, no crowd, yet 3 points better off and a game in hand.

The appetite for cutting Carrick slack is enormous, it really is.

If we don't make the play offs there will be no excuse.
 
BoroMart said:
The game is about scoring more than you let in, not just scoring. So that’s not a metric of our squad quality at all
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Don't move the goal posts. You said by any measure we don't have a squad to compete. I've given you two very solid yard sticks where we not only compete but surpass them. I have no doubt that they're more solid in other areas but that was my point. We have a squad that can compete with anyone in this league. We've beaten Sheff United and top of the table West Brom, whilst we've also beaten Leeds' second string with our own second string away from home. Yet more evidence of the quality of our squad.

I don't understand the reluctance to acknowledge this? Not particularly directed are you alone Mart but there's seems to be a reluctance to question Carrick's performance and a desire to criticise our squad instead. I've no doubt that our problems lie with both but Carrick has underperformed in my opinion.
 
Humpty said:
Don't move the goal posts. You said by any measure we don't have a squad to compete. I've given you two very solid yard sticks where we not only compete but surpass them. I have no doubt that they're more solid in other areas but that was my point. We have a squad that can compete with anyone in this league. We've beaten Sheff United and top of the table West Brom, whilst we've also beaten Leeds' second string with our own second string away from home. Yet more evidence of the quality of our squad.

I don't understand the reluctance to acknowledge this? Not particularly directed are you alone Mart but there's seems to be a reluctance to question Carrick's performance and a desire to criticise our squad instead. I've no doubt that our problems lie with both but Carrick has underperformed in my opinion.
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There’s also now a sentiment that the players aren’t good enough to execute the system - I read last night that ‘the structure gets us the xG, the players get us the results’. Parking the fact that absolutely nobody turns up or tunes in to see a structure ‘win’ xG, the truth is that the vast majority of this absolutely massive first-team squad has been signed to play this particular style and system.

Even the lads who came just before Carrick - Clarke was the ‘ball-playing left-sided defender we are desperate for’ for example - were all signed to play a certain way, under a certain coach who had specific principles and patterns of play. This is where some of the tension with Wilder stemmed from.

To see that brushed off and told instead the players can’t play the system well enough… that just doesn’t wash for me. And if they aren’t good then the head coach must find a way to work around it. Constantly being pick-pocketed on the edge of your own defensive third and constantly being unable to break down deep-lying opponents have been a theme since the start of last season.

There’s no sign of either of those things changing but we don’t really know if the ever could change or improve because the head coach won’t even countenance even a subtle switch of shape or type of pass this season. It’s more irritating when you consider he changed shape for a few matches last season. It can and has worked.

I just think… reading this stuff about the squad. How can we be three years into Scott doing the recruitment - and he has been recruiting to play this way all along, hence the tension with previous managers - and not have the players to do what Carrick wants? There is a disconnect somewhere along the line.

How can we have a squad that can’t do what Carrick wants it to do after all this time? Two full years for Carrick, three for Scott. We’ve signed 28 players since January 2022 and another 14 on loan. 42 players! And yet… they still need another 3, 4, 5 windows. Well it could be more I suppose. It tends to change.

There are too many excuses being made imo.
 
The usual reaction after a defeat and dare I say it, if beat Millwall the promotion bus will be back on track with the same people. It was a poor performance last night but there were still signs that we could compete with them, it was 1-1 and we were in that game, until we shot ourselves in the foot. Fry was badly missed, we looked far more solid in the last 2 games he played. I also think Van Der Berg would walk back in. Morris is a huge miss as Barlaser is out of his depth when he is pressed. Injuries are still an issue as many posts in this thread allude to. We need another decent central midfielder who can play the system and replace Barlaser and Howson who I think most of us accept the time has come for him. I think we are improving and will finish around 4-5th. Sunderland will falter, Blackburn always start well and fall of a cliff. West Brom look shot to me, Norwich are too inconsistent and Watford don't look like they will sustain their form. We are better than them.

The season will continue to be up and down, but I enjoy watching us. I would say only 2-3 seasons in last 20 have been better.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
There’s also now a sentiment that the players aren’t good enough to execute the system - I read last night that ‘the structure gets us the xG, the players get us the results’. Parking the fact that absolutely nobody turns up or tunes in to see a structure ‘win’ xG
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XG is just a metric that measures chance creation…people enjoy attack football with chances created.

The way we play is fine. It works more than it doesn’t and with the budgets some our opponents have it gets us back on track unlike the Strachan, Mogga, Pulis, Warnock days which were awful and saw us massively under achieve.

If we keep everyone fit we will be above our budget level. If we keep getting injury crisis we won’t. Some players aren’t good enough Bergzorg, Dijksteel, Clarke, Barlaser, Engel. If they’re in the team for an extended spell well under achieve
 
binghamered said:
The usual reaction after a defeat and dare I say it, if beat Millwall the promotion bus will be back on track with the same people. It was a poor performance last night but there were still signs that we could compete with them, it was 1-1 and we were in that game, until we shot ourselves in the foot. Fry was badly missed, we looked far more solid in the last 2 games he played. I also think Van Der Berg would walk back in. Morris is a huge miss as Barlaser is out of his depth when he is pressed. Injuries are still an issue as many posts in this thread allude to. We need another decent central midfielder who can play the system and replace Barlaser and Howson who I think most of us accept the time has come for him. I think we are improving and will finish around 4-5th. Sunderland will falter, Blackburn always start well and fall of a cliff. West Brom look shot to me, Norwich are too inconsistent and Watford don't look like they will sustain their form. We are better than them.

The season will continue to be up and down, but I enjoy watching us. I would say only 2-3 seasons in last 20 have been better.
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Aye VDB and Morris are big misses. It's no coincidence we're conceding more with them out the side.

I'm sick of the whingeing to be honest.

Criticism of the recruitment, criticism of the manager, criticism of the style of play etc etc.

Carrick and the recruitment team have got a lot more right than they've got wrong. They're doing a lot better than all of their predecessors since Smac, other than Karanka.

And producing the most consistently entertaining football of the Riverside era.

Yet some of our fans go on like spoilt kids.

Waaa I don't like this negative football under Karanka.

Waaaa Pulis and Warnock are dinosaurs, why can't we just go for it and be entertained?

Waaaa I've changed my mind, we concede too many. I just want us to defend better because then we'd definitely go up.

It's chuffing exhausting.

(I may have been guilty of the middle one, but at least I'm consistent!).
 
festa5 said:
Aye VDB and Morris are big misses. It's no coincidence we're conceding more with them out the side.

I'm sick of the whingeing to be honest.

Criticism of the recruitment, criticism of the manager, criticism of the style of play etc etc.

Carrick and the recruitment team have got a lot more right than they've got wrong. They're doing a lot better than all of their predecessors since Smac, other than Karanka.

And producing the most consistently entertaining football of the Riverside era.

Yet some of our fans go on like spoilt kids.

Waaa I don't like this negative football under Karanka.

Waaaa Pulis and Warnock are dinosaurs, why can't we just go for it and be entertained?

Waaaa I've changed my mind, we concede too many. I just want us to defend better because then we'd definitely go up.

It's chuffing exhausting.

(I may have been guilty of the middle one, but at least I'm consistent!).
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Thing is, unlike the first few months under Carrick, we don't seem to "go for it" any more, barring against the likes of QPR, Luton and Oxford all of whom were struggling badly when we faced them.

The home games have by and large been awful to watch, especially when the opposition are well organised, in which case we often revert to piddling about passing sideways and backwards between the two central mids and the back four. Even when we go behind. It's been going on for far too long now and Carrick has to be partly to blame for a) not having a plan B or tweaking things mid-game and b) never making a sub until 70 minutes in. Sadly, I expect more of the same when we play Millwall on Sat.

We're badly lacking in leadership, aggression and intensity and I just don't see any signs of that changing under Carrick. I really want him to prove me wrong and I'm desperate for him to succeed and lead us closer to the Prem but two and a half seasons is a long time when you see what other teams (who are constantly deemed inferior to us) are achieving on the pitch. We can't blame referees and injuries forever.
 
festa5 said:
Aye VDB and Morris are big misses. It's no coincidence we're conceding more with them out the side.

I'm sick of the whingeing to be honest.

Criticism of the recruitment, criticism of the manager, criticism of the style of play etc etc.

Carrick and the recruitment team have got a lot more right than they've got wrong. They're doing a lot better than all of their predecessors since Smac, other than Karanka.

And producing the most consistently entertaining football of the Riverside era.

Yet some of our fans go on like spoilt kids.

Waaa I don't like this negative football under Karanka.

Waaaa Pulis and Warnock are dinosaurs, why can't we just go for it and be entertained?

Waaaa I've changed my mind, we concede too many. I just want us to defend better because then we'd definitely go up.

It's chuffing exhausting.

(I may have been guilty of the middle one, but at least I'm consistent!).
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There isn't lots of whingeing that I can see.
There are some people expressing opinions and asking questions. To be expected surely on a football message board.
Just like you are expressing yours.
 
Carrick just got nailed in the millwall press conference for slow sub changes & change of tactics in games when things arent going our way & he just ran & hid from the question in other words i am not for changing.
 
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