The Battle of Britain.

If you are down Folkestone way in Kent. This place is worth a look.

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The Museum is on the site of the former RAF Hawkinge, the nearest Royal Air Force station to enemy-occupied France and only some ten minutes flying time away from the Luftwaffe fighter airfields in the Pas-de-Calais, in addition to which the airfield and surrounding district was subjected to long range cross-Channel shelling from the German shore batteries stationed along the French coast. Not for nothing was the Folkestone area known as “Hellfire Corner”. Despite the passing years today’s visitor can still savour the atmosphere of the airfield’s past with the landmarks and buildings that remain, acting as points of reference, whilst beyond can be seen the English Channel and the French coast.
 
If you are down Folkestone way in Kent. This place is worth a look.

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The Museum is on the site of the former RAF Hawkinge, the nearest Royal Air Force station to enemy-occupied France and only some ten minutes flying time away from the Luftwaffe fighter airfields in the Pas-de-Calais, in addition to which the airfield and surrounding district was subjected to long range cross-Channel shelling from the German shore batteries stationed along the French coast. Not for nothing was the Folkestone area known as “Hellfire Corner”. Despite the passing years today’s visitor can still savour the atmosphere of the airfield’s past with the landmarks and buildings that remain, acting as points of reference, whilst beyond can be seen the English Channel and the French coast.
Thanks, that looks interesting. I'm planning to do a tour of aircraft museums in the South later this year, so I'll add it to my list.👍🏻
 
The saving grace for the BoB was Hitler's ego.
He stood in Berlin and gave some speech how no enemy bombs would land on Berlin and Bomber Command picked up on this. The RAF was apparently 2 days from capitulation so they bombed Berlin at night and Hitler lost his 'merde'.
Ordered the Luftwaffe to bomb London in retaliation despite Goering's insistence that they kill off the RAF. That respite allowed the RAF to reform, resupply and orchestrate the Duxford wing and that was it, game over
 
Thanks, that looks interesting. I'm planning to do a tour of aircraft museums in the South later this year, so I'll add it to my list.👍🏻

I lived down that way for a good few years and occasionally, like witnessing a rare bird, a Spitfire would be up flying. My friend the folk singer, Chris Wood wrote a song about them, and those times, and like the lyric says “It’s the sound”
Hope you get chance to see, and especially hear one. Unforgettable.

 
Thanks, that looks interesting. I'm planning to do a tour of aircraft museums in the South later this year, so I'll add it to my list.
Not too far from Hawkinge:

 
More so we should remember why these young men and women were forced to have to do that. It is creeping up around us.
100% this.

Remember why all those people made the ultimate sacrifice, to fight fascism and ensure a more tolerant and peaceful world.

It saddens me to see what is going on on the world now, has mankind learned nothing from the lessons that led to WWII?
 
I lived down that way for a good few years and occasionally, like witnessing a rare bird, a Spitfire would be up flying. My friend the folk singer, Chris Wood wrote a song about them, and those times, and like the lyric says “It’s the sound”
Hope you get chance to see, and especially hear one. Unforgettable.

Heard that "engine" at Castle Howard a few years ago now, proms in the park.
Wing Commander Charles 'Charlie' Brown buzzed the crowd in a MK1 and did a few loops and then finally buzzed us. Not gonna lie, brought a tear to my eye hearing that engine and seeing all the flags waving
 
There's a two seat Mk IX (ML295) at Lee on Solent airport that does flights. You can hear that Merlin so distinctly when it's up.

A snip at £3250 for 30 minutes 😅
 
If you are down Folkestone way in Kent. This place is worth a look.

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The Museum is on the site of the former RAF Hawkinge, the nearest Royal Air Force station to enemy-occupied France and only some ten minutes flying time away from the Luftwaffe fighter airfields in the Pas-de-Calais, in addition to which the airfield and surrounding district was subjected to long range cross-Channel shelling from the German shore batteries stationed along the French coast. Not for nothing was the Folkestone area known as “Hellfire Corner”. Despite the passing years today’s visitor can still savour the atmosphere of the airfield’s past with the landmarks and buildings that remain, acting as points of reference, whilst beyond can be seen the English Channel and the French coast.
Ziggy

Was this museum started by an amateur group who dug up aircraft remains and put little stories about the pilots in display cabinets? I went to one in 2013 and it was surrounded by a housing estate that had been built on the old airfield, that was used for filming the Battle of Britain film.
 
Ziggy

Was this museum started by an amateur group who dug up aircraft remains and put little stories about the pilots in display cabinets? I went to one in 2013 and it was surrounded by a housing estate that had been built on the old airfield, that was used for filming the Battle of Britain film.
I've read a few of these stories when I visited many years ago, tragic but funny as well especially about the Mess bill.
 
Ziggy

Was this museum started by an amateur group who dug up aircraft remains and put little stories about the pilots in display cabinets? I went to one in 2013 and it was surrounded by a housing estate that had been built on the old airfield, that was used for filming the Battle of Britain film.

That’s it. A friend of mine lives on that estate. When they built it a new road was put in that
by-passed Hawkinge village. Used it several times a week when I was working around Folkestone…down there a couple of weeks ago visiting the wife’s sister
 
If I could go back in time to 1965…

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£4,000 is probably a couple of hundred thousand these days if you adjust for inflation. Would have been quite the investment, since Spitfires change hands for millions now.

With a second engine thrown in too 😲
 
One of my uncles was born 11th September 1940.

I remember my granny telling me a female neighbour in South Bank came up to her in the street in September 1940 and said to her Mrs Wurzel you gained a son last week and I lost one ( 18 year old pilot in the B of B). It hit home the struggle we were in and what war was.

Not many people know the pilot with the highest kills in the Battle of Britain was not Brirish or from a Commonwealth country, but a Czechslovakian. The Polish 303 squadron shot down an astonishing 126 German planes despite only joining the Battle half way through. Many of our East European pilots flew without fear.
Eric Lock was probably the BoB's highest ace.
 
As a kid growing up in the 70s/80s I would read those little comic books and romance about being a fighter pilot. Its only when you get older you realise not everyone survived and it was so traumatic in reality.

I still study WW2 and one of the aspects I’m currently looking at is quality control, and how this was an issue. Much of the German war machine suffered from a lack of materials, a lack of appetite from German ‘workers’, damaged infrastructure as the war developed. Many soldiers who survived D-Day spoke of how bad the pillboxes were built and that they realised German propaganda had misled them into believing they were a bigger force than they were.
 
As a kid growing up in the 70s/80s I would read those little comic books and romance about being a fighter pilot. Its only when you get older you realise not everyone survived and it was so traumatic in reality.

I still study WW2 and one of the aspects I’m currently looking at is quality control, and how this was an issue. Much of the German war machine suffered from a lack of materials, a lack of appetite from German ‘workers’, damaged infrastructure as the war developed. Many soldiers who survived D-Day spoke of how bad the pillboxes were built and that they realised German propaganda had misled them into believing they were a bigger force than they were.
Interesting take, the German and Japanese better build quality is and was always a myth imho, it progressed like everything else, but how do you sell cars motor bikes electronics to a country you have just had 2 world wars with and another that were pretty evil to you POW. The power of PR and advertising and back handers, plus it staved off communism and gave them a future and the rebuild of their nation.

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The Japanese planes were nothing special.

I know the German tanks were quality, but it took them too long to build - the Soviets could build 5 tanks to German 1.
 
Interesting take, the German and Japanese better build quality is and was always a myth imho, it progressed like everything else, but how do you sell cars motor bikes electronics to a country you have just had 2 world wars with and another that were pretty evil to you POW. The power of PR and advertising and back handers, plus it staved off communism and gave them a future and the rebuild of their nation.
As James May said, "to win at cars, first you must lose at war."
 
Interesting take, the German and Japanese better build quality is and was always a myth imho, it progressed like everything else, but how do you sell cars motor bikes electronics to a country you have just had 2 world wars with and another that were pretty evil to you POW.
It was never really a "thing" until recently. In the 60s Japanese cars were ridiculed "little tin buzz boxes" and "made in Japan" was a byword for cheap tat. German cars were things like the VW Beetle and had an almost ironic following amongst hippies and such with the enduring love for the VW Van just beginning. Porsche were looked on as some sort of sooped up Beetle and Mercs were the transports of straight-arm-saluting murderers. BMWs were rarely considered. Electronic products followed a similar path Japanese tat v British "built-to-last". And yes some veterans would never consider buying a German or Japanese product for the reasons you quote.

Japanese motorbikes were probably the first to break through the reputation for "cheap tat" with bikes that were reliable and had useful features like electric starters. The Japanese broke through in electronics too with cheap "transistor radios". Through the 70s Japanese cars were still looked down upon but they concentrated on making their cars reliable and also loading them with gear so whilst in the Ford showroom you could choose your Cortina as base model, an L, XL, GXL or GT with different levels of trim and three engine sizes according to your position on the company hierarchy often with such things as a radio being a cost option if you wandered into a Datsun showroom there was one or maybe two models of Bluebird and it had cloth seats and a radio as standard. A lot of the problems were complacency and arrogance in the companies and to an extent the confrontations between unions and management. The Germans steadily built a reputation for engineering excellence which is almost ridiculously present today in the car world with the love for "Beemers, Mercs and Audis" surpassing their actual documented reliability statistics.

As James May said, "to win at cars, first you must lose at war."
A bit of a trite observation though it does help that your factories are newly built (because the RAF and USAAF obliterated the old ones)
 
It was never really a "thing" until recently. In the 60s Japanese cars were ridiculed "little tin buzz boxes" and "made in Japan" was a byword for cheap tat. German cars were things like the VW Beetle and had an almost ironic following amongst hippies and such with the enduring love for the VW Van just beginning. Porsche were looked on as some sort of sooped up Beetle and Mercs were the transports of straight-arm-saluting murderers. BMWs were rarely considered. Electronic products followed a similar path Japanese tat v British "built-to-last". And yes some veterans would never consider buying a German or Japanese product for the reasons you quote.

Japanese motorbikes were probably the first to break through the reputation for "cheap tat" with bikes that were reliable and had useful features like electric starters. The Japanese broke through in electronics too with cheap "transistor radios". Through the 70s Japanese cars were still looked down upon but they concentrated on making their cars reliable and also loading them with gear so whilst in the Ford showroom you could choose your Cortina as base model, an L, XL, GXL or GT with different levels of trim and three engine sizes according to your position on the company hierarchy often with such things as a radio being a cost option if you wandered into a Datsun showroom there was one or maybe two models of Bluebird and it had cloth seats and a radio as standard. A lot of the problems were complacency and arrogance in the companies and to an extent the confrontations between unions and management. The Germans steadily built a reputation for engineering excellence which is almost ridiculously present today in the car world with the love for "Beemers, Mercs and Audis" surpassing their actual documented reliability statistics.


A bit of a trite observation though it does help that your factories are newly built (because the RAF and USAAF obliterated the old ones)
Worked on the cars, that's what I served my time as . The Volkswagen beetle was a air cooled flat 4 that I often worked on, awful to drive, the Golf and the Polo, they pizzed oil, had no servo, and the lights were as good a candles, they later let you get factory upgrades, they also rotted as good as any BL., People just went to Volkstech and bought the extras, I think the Boro had one Turnbulls on Snowdon Road.

The Jap cars I worked on some early ones the Toyota Crown 1972, and I think they turned the corner (no pun intended) with the Datsun 120Y, but while the engines were bomb proof you could hear them rust. I worked on just about every car from Top range Jags, every Ford, from 62 on over, Moscovitch, Yugo Fiat and Lancia Saab, Volvo, Hillman , Land Rover all ranges, the list is endless to be honest.
The motor bikes just came on the back of a more sporty moped that cracked the puppy boy teens desire - Honda SS 50, Yamaha FSIE, Suzuki TS that's not including the shift worker special C50 C70 C90. I did have favourites like Suzuki 750 GT water bottle and the Yamaha triple 380 but never owned them. I used to ride Motocross too for a short while RM 125 and a 440 Maico and 250 Elsinore my mate had.

Cars now are a lot more technical to a degree, but they were then in the top end models of the time, just nowadays joe soap cant afford not to get a service history, but I have to admit I love some of the toys,(mainly the heated front windscreen) and mines like a space ship I love the Spotify, sat nav although I use Waze. But I find most dull looking, the world has changed. But they are a safer thing with the advent of better crumple zones and airbags, but they just aren't sexy even the Beemers Audi. I've had a top of the range Audi but it I never fell in love with it. I do miss servicing my own car a little(spending 10 minutes over a bonnet I would probably seize up)

Right I'm off.
 
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