The 9am figures not disclosed yet?

I don't understand. Some little spikes there.

Incase you missed the news bear, Spain are now using targeted testing and only classing those who are symptomatic and have tested positive with the new narrowed down testing technique as a 'case'.
 
I don't understand. Some little spikes there.

Incase you missed the news bear, Spain are now using targeted testing and only classing those who are symptomatic and have tested positive with the new narrowed down testing technique as a 'case'.
So, not everyone with Corona is classed as a case? Asymptomatic people can still pass disease own you know? See Typhoid Mary
 
So, not everyone with Corona is classed as a case? Asymptomatic people can still pass disease own you know? See Typhoid Mary
I've seen evidence they can and evidence they cannot. I don't know Spain's plan or the evidence behind it. I can only guess they don't believe asymptomatic cases are as dangerous as a whole to the nation as symptomatic cases are. Who knows? They've adjusted the testing procedure too.
I'd also read that Belgium are been less reliant on the PCR test to gauge the prevalence of the virus in the country and are using hospitalisations and blood tests.
 
I've seen evidence they can and evidence they cannot. I don't know Spain's plan or the evidence behind it. I can only guess they don't believe asymptomatic cases are as dangerous as a whole to the nation as symptomatic cases are. Who knows.
I mean, they can. For any commutable disease.
 
I would assume that if false positives are being generated then the case numbers don’t really show you anything and other measures are more accurate, that’s why others have changed
 
Today's headline analysis:

• 4,044 new cases reported in 24-hour period, down from yesterday's 5,692
• 7-day average for new cases decreases by 0.8% to 5,770 per day, following 4.6% increase yesterday
• 7-day average for new cases is 46.9% higher than one week ago (from 58.1% higher yesterday) and 92.1% higher than two weeks ago (from 90.7% higher yesterday and 93.3% higher 7 days ago)
• 13 new deaths within 28 days of a positive test reported in 24-hour period, down from 17 yesterday
• 7-day average for new deaths within 28 days of a positive test increases by 0.9% to 30 per day, following 0.5% decrease yesterday
• 7-day average for new deaths within 28 days of a positive test is 41.1% higher than one week ago (from 41.6% higher yesterday) and 156.6% higher than two weeks ago (from 174.0% higher yesterday and 184.9% higher 7 days ago)
 
It's almost like at the beginning of flu season everyone with the sniffles has been for a test, the PCR test then pulls up a bunch of positives and voila here we are.

See hospital admissions for instance... You go in get seen, get told to chill out and sent home. 1 admission there which counts despite you being in the hospital for a couple of hours.

Deaths are also susceptible to this problem, go hospital with late stage cancer, get tested duento regulation then be positive (false or otherwise) die within 28 days... It's on the death certificate.

Mix in lack of access to care, exponentially growing levels of poverty and you now have excess deaths rising.

So it's simply impossible to make good decisions now.

Clusterf*ck
 
It's almost like at the beginning of flu season everyone with the sniffles has been for a test, the PCR test then pulls up a bunch of positives and voila here we are.

See hospital admissions for instance... You go in get seen, get told to chill out and sent home. 1 admission there which counts despite you being in the hospital for a couple of hours.

Deaths are also susceptible to this problem, go hospital with late stage cancer, get tested duento regulation then be positive (false or otherwise) die within 28 days... It's on the death certificate.

Mix in lack of access to care, exponentially growing levels of poverty and you now have excess deaths rising.

So it's simply impossible to make good decisions now.

Clusterf*ck

First it was the rise in cases was wrong and dismissed

now we’re dismissing deaths and hospital admissions
 
See hospital admissions for instance... You go in get seen, get told to chill out and sent home. 1 admission there which counts despite you being in the hospital for a couple of hours.

Interesting hypothesis, for which I note you provide no evidence. It also runs contrary to the fact that the total number of people in hospital with Covid has doubled in the past fortnight and the number of people on venilators has increased by 240% in the same period.
 
I was worried we would have a seasonal outbreak (when everyone like you billy said it wasn't seasonal) I'm actually encouraged by today's figures that we might get luckier than I thought.

I know you prefer doom and gloom but I'm hoping for better..

You say people on ventilators up 230% what are those actual numbers Vs the % change?

And Gaz I'm not dismissing anything just stating what are facts i.e. if a patient spends two hours in hospital they will count as a hospitalisation and if you test positive and sadly die in a car crash (for instance) within 28 days you will be in the figures.

Why do these uncomfortable truths upset you so much?
Should we not be doing everything possible to get the NHS waiting lists back down and opening up gp consultations? I just don't understand why you guys think that more and more restrictions are needed or are helpful, please feel free to express your viewpoint.
 
Daily count of confirmed COVID-19 patients in hospital at midnight the preceding night. Data from the four nations may not be directly comparable as data about COVID-19 patients in hospitals are collected differently. Data are not reported by each nation every day. The UK figure is the sum of the four nations' figures and can only be calculated when all nations' data are available.

Daily and cumulative numbers of COVID-19 patients admitted to hospital. Data are not updated every day by all four nations and the figures are not comparable as Wales include suspected COVID-19 patients while the other nations include only confirmed cases.
 
I was worried we would have a seasonal outbreak (when everyone like you billy said it wasn't seasonal) I'm actually encouraged by today's figures that we might get luckier than I thought.

I've never said that the virus wasn't seasonal. In fact, on 29th June I made the following post which, unfortunately, appears to becoming true:
I agree that we can't stay locked down forever and I wouldn't want to make an outright prediction on what will happen. However, my concern would be that, instead of bringing numbers down to extremely low levels in the summer, we might end up 'seeding' the population with higher levels of background infection, just in time for the arrival of the cold and flu season in the autumn.


You say people on ventilators up 230% what are those actual numbers Vs the % change?

On 11th September there were 77 people with Covid-19 on ventilators. Two weeks later on 25th September (last data available) that number had increased by 240.3% to 262. Given that the total number of people in hospital with Covid was 1,727 that means that 15.2% of all Covid patients were on mechanical ventilation.

Should we not be doing everything possible to get the NHS waiting lists back down and opening up gp consultations? I just don't understand why you guys think that more and more restrictions are needed or are helpful, please feel free to express your viewpoint.

As someone who has been waiting for over nine months to see an NHS consultant, I can assure you that I don't want to see waiting lists any longer than are necessary. I've also told you (getting on for a hundred times now) that I see lockdowns as an admission of failure by the government, although perhaps necessary given this government's mismanagement of the crisis.

The thing that I've been advocating for months now is a comprehensive and fully functioning test, trace and isolate system. That is the only realistic way that we can try and control the virus whilst allowing the economy to recover to at least some extent.
 
And it's also declining which you haven't mentioned. Also you fail to show what the age groups involved are. For example none of the deaths reported today occured in anybody under the age of 60.
Interesting hypothesis, for which I note you provide no evidence. It also runs contrary to the fact that the total number of people in hospital with Covid has doubled in the past fortnight and the number of people on venilators has increased by 240% in the same period.
 
People are just going to avoid getting tested as most simply cannot afford to take the hit, especially those who had no financial help through lockdown.

The whole process is a farce, caused by a lack of joined up thinking and prioritising lining the pockets of private firms who are failing time and time again.
 
People are just going to avoid getting tested as most simply cannot afford to take the hit, especially those who had no financial help through lockdown.

The whole process is a farce, caused by a lack of joined up thinking and prioritising lining the pockets of private firms who are failing time and time again.

Aha so that's the new conspiracy theory... People just not getting tested. Ignoring all the posts last week about people not being able to get tested.


^ That is a lockdown reality, I watch that and it breaks me.

Also fair enough @Billy Horner you and me both worried about the seasonality of it but the vast majority and the media claimed it wasn't.
 
For balance. Not saying underlying health conditions don't matter but the NHS wouldn't post tables like this one if they didn't have any sort of relevance.

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