That’s why players cheat

The vomiting vicar

The vomiting vicar

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McTominay flicked out at Son who goes down like he’s been hit with a right hook from Canelo manure go onto score and VAR rule it out and to rub salt into the wounds Son scores dear dear me footy is in a sorry state
 
What made it worse is VAR stated it was accidental so doesn't merit a yellow card. If it was accidental why is it even a foul then? The Man United player was just acting on instinct and using a natural body movement. It usually takes a lot to make OGS mad and he was furious.
 
This was a great game and I'm not a Man U fan, but they were streets in front in the second half. Best I've seen Pogba play.
 
Must be only me that thinks it was the right decision. Personally don’t think it was a natural attempt to shield or push him off. I thought it was an intentional flick and with a clenched fist
 
Cheesenbiscuits said:
Must be only me that thinks it was the right decision. Personally don’t think it was a natural attempt to shield or push him off. I thought it was an intentional flick and with a clenched fist
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It wasn't a clenched fist. The replays show that clearly.

Son grabs out at McTominay and McTominay pushes Son's hand away and bounces off Son's fingers which flicks his hand towards Son's face. There is no intent (whether that matters or not).

If it's deemed a foul then fair enough. However, the Son grab should have been penalised as well resulting in a Man U free-kick.

However, VAR is supposed to correct clear and obvious errors OR highlight incidences of serious foul play.

Firstly, the ref appeared to see the incident and played on - if there's no yellow card given then how can it be a clear and obvious error?

If the ref is adamant he didn't see it then if there's no card to be given, VAR should be ignored. The only thing VAR can bring it back for at that point is serious foul play. VAR isn't there to spot minor fouls.

The argument will be that it was in the build up to the goal, but how far back do you go? They don't rewind every goal and review it from the last dead-ball. Son vs McTominay had no influence on the goal once the ball was released (and Son was the wrong side to have any impact on that).

The problem is with VAR not being used consistently either within games or between games.
 
Erimus74 said:
Said from day one VAR is the worse thing to be brought in to football
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These millimetre decisions are to be put up with, but not too sure that VAR is all bad Erimus. Think of the Fry decision, we would surely have had a penalty, an opposing player sent off and won that game against Blackburn, And that game against Swansea , those couple of decisions which would have meant that we won the game and not Swansea.
I realise that those 6 points would not have turned everything around, but would have given Boro hope and drive to be up there still fighting. As it is, they demoralised us and we are now looking to stay in the top half of the table.
 
Lottowyn said:
Think of the Fry decision, we would surely have had a penalty, an opposing player sent off and won that game against Blackburn, And that game against Swansea , those couple of decisions which would have meant that we won the game and not Swansea.
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I suspect that if you reviewed every game of the season we would probably lose some points too.

That we, as a team, MIGHT benefit from it is no argument.

VAR is beyond ludicrous. It was supposed to remove "clear and obvious" errors. In the case of the Man Utd goal, I thought that Son got caught in the eye by McTominay's hand who was sort of brushing him off. Borderline foul, sometimes given, sometimes not. Painful if someone catches you in the eye so I don't think Son was doing anything more than any other player would do. Then you have the Wolves goal against Fulham ruled out for offside by the width of a gnat's todger. Neither VAR rulings were "clear and obvious" errors. Both detracted from the sport as a spectacle and an entertainment. You can't celebrate a goal whilst someone in FA HQ watches it again and again from every angle putting lines on freeze frames for offside...

If you want to keep VAR it has to be challenge based. So the coach or captain challenges a decision and asks for a review, reviews like cricket limited in number and if you've burnt your review then the ref's decision stands.
 
I've not actually seen the incident but it's become increasingly apparent that there's nothing with VAR itself (the tech or rules around it's use), rather it's the people being charged with using it.

That said there will always be a level of subjectivity with decisions such as these. The laws of the game go some way to codifying incidents but can't cover every scenario. Essentially we've moved from questioning the subjectivity of a ref on the pitch, to one sat 100s of miles away.

I don't think you can actually remove that subjectivity from the game - I would expect guidance to be issued after every type of incident but you'll still get scenarios which haven't occurred before. Potentially a panel of refs in VAR reviewing every decision in real time?
 
Rank poor decision by the Ref, Son as a sniper victim typifies modern football.
Can't believe this but I actually was cheering man u on.
 
Just watched it - complete and utter joke.

Clear and obvious error? The referee was looking straight at it, what could he have seen on the monitor that he didn't see in real time?

Son laid on the floor for 3+ minutes holding his face when McTominays hand barely touched him. He's a cheat, nothing more nothing less.

The games finished....................
 
If anything the VAR should have sent off or booked Son for simulation (cheating). I would be embarrassed if I was him watching that back.

I've seen lads get punched in witherspoons and not go down😂

How good is Cavani? Work rate and movement. I shudder to think what he was like in his prime.
 
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