Lot of research done on improving these batteries, yes like everything the lifespan is limited, but they are good and improving. The next gen batteries, use far less cobalt, and are designed to be easily recyclable. Remember the combustion engine was way dirtier for the first 70-80 years of motoring. EVs as a viable consumer product has only really been going for about 8 years and already they're well down the line in making them far cleaner lifecycles, and far easier to recycle. Still challenges to overcome, but there is a will, a market, government support, and the prices will be plummeting over the next 5 years. Tesla for example expect to have a sub 20k car on the market within the next 2 years.batteries (the sort used in mobile applications like cars and busses) have a very definite usable life span. I am yet to be convinced that the 2nd life or recycling costs both financial and environmental have been taken into wider consideration.
A car battery pack will not last 10 years, so cars themselves will be scrapped or recycled as the cost of replacing batteries will be higher than the residual value of the car, and a new car built to take its place.
The whole car buying model will need to change to a leasing one for this to be in any way viable in the long term. I am not sure the big picture adds up, and I currently have a hybrid petrol electric car at the moment a a company car.
agreed, we have to universally, stop having so many babies. There are enormous economic problems to stop that, so we'll wait and see.Was is wrong with using cars used by green hydrogen? (hydrogen produced from renewable energy)
They don't need these big batteries and they will drive more than 175 miles without needing a recharge.
With electricity - we will are unlikely to produce enough renewable power for all our needs. so will need to rely on nuclear, wood pellets and some fossil fuels such as natural gas. Nuclear has its dangers and where does the waste go for the next 10,000 years?, wood pellets needs millions of trees a year (the giant Drax power station near Selby uses them and is effectively burning up 10% of North Carolina to power it. Also there are going to massive electricity demands for heating homes when gas boilers are banned.
Ref polluting the planet - its pointless people in the UK reducing carbon emissions, when China opens a new coal fired power station every month, the trapped carbon will surely just swill round the planet. When is China going to stop building coal fired stations?
If people ate less meat it was would have the biggest impact on improving the environment and of course a smaller population. When I was at school in the 1970s the world population I think was around 3,000 million now its 7,000 million? and still growing.
That simply isn't true, these 'studies' have been put out for years, and are nonsense.They are filthy things, the mining for copper and lithium for the batteries is disgusting, the generation of electricity is most countries is filthy, and the disposal of the things poses great problems. A modern diesel car is far cleaner over a normal life cycle !
Thats true, but where cars are going is self driven taxis. No one will buy a car ni 20 years time, you will uber everywhere for 2 quid so buying a car won;t be the financially viable.Buses running about with next to no-one on them isn't very green is it ?
I used to think that. I very much doubt it is true anymore. Especially as we move towards cleaner energy. It's why they are so popular in 100%renewable NorwayThey are filthy things, the mining for copper and lithium for the batteries is disgusting, the generation of electricity is most countries is filthy, and the disposal of the things poses great problems. A modern diesel car is far cleaner over a normal life cycle !
I'm so jealous. I'm pleased Tesla do this constant improvements but your car will be better than mine for at least 3 reasons:Yes, it is a made in china one. I used to have a pontiac Grand Prix when I was in the US, it felt like you take it apart with a lego stud remover, or maybe going over a large speed bump
I will close and open all the doors very carefully for the first couple of weeks now!I'm so jealous. I'm pleased Tesla do this constant improvements but your car will be better than mine for at least 3 reasons:
Slick black trim is WAY better then the mountains of chrome on my car
Auto boot I had to actually get a kit which is being fitted this weekend
And the main point: your doors won't fall off
I think the charging speed thing is the one myth the EV community need to bust. It's always used by people supporting ICE as a positive of an ice car. Thing is the average driver can charge from home and does less than 100 miles per day. That flips the refuelling arguement right on its head. I used to be able to do that and it seemed archaic to ever have to stop to fuel up. Your car always had enough full for a day's driving.I did read late last year about Samsung I think working on a graphene battery that holds about the same as a lion battery but charges in 5%of the time. Won't help with recycling or renewables but will greatly increase the take up in electric cars. If you can charge in the same amount of time you can fill up people will be more inclined toward electric.
They are not for me but understand why some like them.
I think the range issue is largely solved for Tesla, Model 3 long range has a 360 mile range, realistically around 300. That would allow you to go from Boro to Leicester, and back again. Or Boro to Canterbury. I'd need a 45 minute break after that drive.I think the charging speed thing is the one myth the EV community need to bust. It's always used by people supporting ICE as a positive of an ice car. Thing is the average driver can charge from home and does less than 100 miles per day. That flips the refuelling arguement right on its head. I used to be able to do that and it seemed archaic to ever have to stop to fuel up. Your car always had enough full for a day's driving.
We do need a better motorwork high speed charging network though. Then on long journeys the same "are we actually refuelling?" Question would be asked. As you'd just charge up when you stopped for a bit to eat. That's the liberating thing about EVs: not visiting petrol stations
Yeah my bladder has a much shorter range than my battery!I think the range issue is largely solved for Tesla, Model 3 long range has a 360 mile range, realistically around 300. That would allow you to go from Boro to Leicester, and back again. Or Boro to Canterbury. I'd need a 45 minute break after that drive.
It has to said too, the Koreans have also nailed the range. They have done it by using much less powerful motors than Tesla true, but they have great rangeYeah my bladder has a much shorter range than my battery!
The LR is such a car. I have the performance so suffer a bit on range thanks to the stupid little spoiler. Unless it's hot I have to do a quick splash and dash on the trip from London to my mum's in Teesside. Only about 10 mins on a supercharger though, enough for a Costa and a pee
I can only just make it to teesside on a full tank of fuel about 85 quid worth.Yeah my bladder has a much shorter range than my battery!
The LR is such a car. I have the performance so suffer a bit on range thanks to the stupid little spoiler. Unless it's hot I have to do a quick splash and dash on the trip from London to my mum's in Teesside. Only about 10 mins on a supercharger though, enough for a Costa and a pee
Yeah had similar costs from Kent, once I get the solar panels fitted, it's free up north, and a couple of supercharger splash and dashes back home. But it'll be free for the first 3 times due to my referral supercharger miles.I can only just make it to teesside on a full tank of fuel about 85 quid worth.