Teachers and dentists.. pay rise?!

Both family members and friends who are teachers have done nothing but work hard over the last few months and all have said they'd prefer to be back in a classroom than what they have had to do.

Clearly the teachers that some of you know are in the wrong profession and should be looking at a career change.
I reckon most teachers are aware that the real challenge in teaching is in the classroom.
 
My wife works in early years and sil in primary. Both have been doing more than usual, covering late for key workers, during the holidays, setting lesson plans etc.

They‘ve also been more exposed than most due to the fact it was primarily health workers children they were in work for.

My wife works in a private setting and gets paid just above minimum wage despite qualifications coming out of her ears. She loves what she does, does more work than she gets paid for, and the owner of the setting doesn’t run the business to make money, she does it because it’s her passion.

Maybe your mates are taking the ****, or more probably they just don’t give a **** - my primary experience is that teachers and those working in EY settings deserve far more than they get paid.
 
I reckon most teachers are aware that the real challenge in teaching is in the classroom.

Are you a teacher?

I taught in a secondary school for 13 years, until very recently.

Being in the classroom and seeing students face-to-face is the main pleasure of teaching. The challenge is the never-ending mountain of paperwork, lesson planning, writing schemes of work, marking and data. Endless data. In other words, all of the parts which teachers have had coming out of their ears over the last few months. Staff at my ex-school spent lockdown preparing daily lessons across all age groups in ways they never thought they'd have to prepare, and delivering a great deal of material online, while trying to keep students engaged and attempting to stick to the curriculum even though the circumstances placed enormous and varied restrictions on the kind of tasks they could deliver. For many of them, this has been far more demanding than "normal" teaching would have been, and with no face-to-face contact to aid the students' learning or provide any form of mental wellbeing on either side. If anyone knows any teachers who spent lockdown "chilling", I'd be genuinely interested to know how they managed that.
 
My fiancé has pretty much worked herself into the ground over the last few months to the point where she has barely slept due to stress. Like I said on another thread, it’s much more difficult to ensure kids are learning what they’re supposed to when you can’t actually teach them.

But yeah this was planned months ago and just being used now as a distraction, which has clearly worked given the thread.
 
This was just to distract from govt failures inc Russian report. They were simply the awards recommended by independent pay bodies, nothing extra for anyone on top of that.
 
More than happy with my 2.5% and the fact I get to work from home saved me a fortune in petrol.
 
I'm sorry but what?!

So nurses (due to contract blah blah), junior drs (most likely to actually be on the frontline) don't get a pay rise.

Social workers, frontline NHS admin staff (receptionists etc) don't get ****.

But teachers (the majority of which have been absolutely chilling for 4 months), dentists (who haven't been able to provide any normal care) and GPs (who've been basically just doing phone appointments and get paid an absolute fortune already) get increases.

Am I crazy or is that utterly insane?!

Yes you are Crazy, my daughter has been teaching special needs children throughout the lock down, if that's your idea of chilling then you really are crazy. MANY, not just a few teachers have worked throughout the lock down both at schools and through social media.

"So nurses (due to contract blah blah)"
Fact is that they do already have an agreed contract. I have other family who are nursing and understand the emotions. I certainly hop their efforts are recognised when the next pay deal is negotiated. I won't hold my breath.
 
Instead of having all of this debate about who deserves what they should just standardise it and lock public pension in to adjust each year by inflation. Then we don't have to have these discussions about who works hardest and they can even include MPs in that. Everything cost based is inflation adjusted so public sector pay should be as well. None of these rises are reward for covid, they are standard cost of living rises. Not giving them would be giving them a paycut so all they have done is not cut public sector pay.
 
Are you a teacher?

I taught in a secondary school for 13 years, until very recently.

Being in the classroom and seeing students face-to-face is the main pleasure of teaching. The challenge is the never-ending mountain of paperwork, lesson planning, writing schemes of work, marking and data. Endless data. In other words, all of the parts which teachers have had coming out of their ears over the last few months. Staff at my ex-school spent lockdown preparing daily lessons across all age groups in ways they never thought they'd have to prepare, and delivering a great deal of material online, while trying to keep students engaged and attempting to stick to the curriculum even though the circumstances placed enormous and varied restrictions on the kind of tasks they could deliver. For many of them, this has been far more demanding than "normal" teaching would have been, and with no face-to-face contact to aid the students' learning or provide any form of mental wellbeing on either side. If anyone knows any teachers who spent lockdown "chilling", I'd be genuinely interested to know how they managed that.
How often have they been in school?
Why have you jacked it in?
I am a retired teacher.
 
How often have they been in school?

Totally depends. I know a few who have gone into school every day to work from there, as there are too many other temptations and distractions at home. Equally, others have only gone in when they have to, as there's a staff rota to look after the key workers' children, and this requires quite a few members of teaching and non-teaching staff per day. There's also been a timetable of socially distanced lessons with Year 10 and Year 12. The average member of staff has probably done about 2 days in school per week. The rest of the time has been spent working at home as described in my previous post.

My reasons for quitting are personal and not related to the profession - although after 13 years I'd certainly had my fill of it! I might return to teaching at some point, either soon or later on in life - depending on where circumstances take me.
 
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