Sycamore Gap Trial Begins

[Boro in Devon]

Make the punishment fit the crime. So I suggest taking a chainsaw to them, just under the knee would be fine.

 

[Scrug]

Since trees are technically alive, can they not be done for murder?

 

[wilkos_perm]

Had anyone, like me, never heard of this tree before it was cut down?

I was awre of it from photo, films etc without really realising it.
i wasn't aware of it by name, and i've not been up that way for a long time

 

[wilkos_perm]

Since trees are technically alive, can they not be done for murder?

I hope not, otherwise I murdered a couple of bushes in the garden at the weekend

 

[sadgit]

This links to a Mail on Sunday article that mentions the arrest of an unnamed teenager and an older man who had then recently been evicted from his farm that was surrounded by National Trust land. https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-mail-on-sunday/20231015/282368339307413

The National Trust are a horrible corrupt corporation

 

[BoroMart]

I suspect they may be relatively new to this thinking lark.

You mean they’re reform voters?

 

[Sammysmiths]

They do that in Fairy Dell. Not seen them for a while but it does happen.

I’ve seen them regularly but they’re never doing anything. Not seen any improvements in the park, apart from whet the volunteer groups look after.

 

[Air Resistance]

These sort of debates aren’t really that helpful.

Sentencing is a very nuanced exercise but if you can’t send people to prison for destroying an international heritage asset then that sets a pretty dangerous standard.

I know one of the defence counsel in the case reasonably well and I’m sure he has advised his client of the likely length of sentence he can expect if he is convicted after a trial. Both defendants of course have the presumption of innocence.

Best post on the thread

 

[Teesste]

Moment famous 'Sycamore Gap tree' is felled

The prosecution alleges Daniel Graham, 39, and Adam Carruthers, 32, used a chainsaw to chop down the tree and "the technique that they used showed expertise and a determined, deliberate approach to the felling". The pair deny two counts of criminal damage.

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Video footage of the tree being felled.. filmed from one of the defendants own phone

 

[sadgit]

I’ve seen them regularly but they’re never doing anything. Not seen any improvements in the park, apart from whet the volunteer groups look after.

Which i am pleased to say, I am part of the Tuesday volunteer group. Good bunch who just want make it look nice.

 

[Loop]

Moment famous 'Sycamore Gap tree' is felled

The prosecution alleges Daniel Graham, 39, and Adam Carruthers, 32, used a chainsaw to chop down the tree and "the technique that they used showed expertise and a determined, deliberate approach to the felling". The pair deny two counts of criminal damage.

news.sky.com

Video footage of the tree being felled.. filmed from one of the defendants own phone

*******, I hope they rot in jail.

 

[1finny]

Look in any local newspaper reporting on court cases and you will see a new example every day
Here’s one from this week

Wes Streeting's ex-aide Samuel Gould given suspended sentence after exposing himself to girl

Gould, 33, has already been sacked by the minister after admitting two counts of indecent exposure. Mr Streeting previously spoke of his "horror" at the offences.

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People like this still on the streets while someone will likely be inside for 5/10 years for cutting down a tree

That crime is horrific, it’s ruined someone’s life and the person charged certainly shouldn’t be free to roam the streets, yet someone will get a 10x harsher sentence for cutting down a tree.
Make it make sense

Pretty horrible that like

 

[Trug]

The problem we have with a lot of crime at the minute is there is a massive lack of deterrent.

Our lass works in a shop at Teesside Park, and pretty much the rule is if anything is stolen which is worth less than £200, then it's practically guaranteed that nothing will happen. I don't even think they're allowed to be approached by staff, and security have little power to do anything. So each day there's a wave of shoplifters basically running a mock, and they're all well known etc, probably the same all over.

The £200 thing has been denied by cops, but if they don't police it then it's reality, the legislation about that (classed as low priority shoplifting) has been in place for a decade though. I think Labour are trying to reverse this, but if the police don't police it then nowt will change.

The trouble with that Andy is that the police have been so cut back that they barely have the manpower to carry out their duties . So priorities must be made and shoplifting is somewhere down the bottom.

 

[Andy_W]

The National Trust are a horrible corrupt corporation

Yeah I don't like them either.

They cause so many problems with construction/ utility routes, where they just will not let things cross their land, regardless of how little the disruption is. They also won't even allow things under their land which have no disruption, like tunnelling etc, unless they get forced by national schemes. This cost the taxpayer probably billions per year.

They also don't allow/ want drones above their property, which seems a bit mad, you would think they want more of their land/ sites in public view? They try and claim they get similar protection as an airport, which is nuts. I get they don't want big heavy drones flying close to buildings and people, but that's not even allowed anyway.

 

[Andy_W]

The trouble with that Andy is that the police have been so cut back that they barely have the manpower to carry out their duties . So priorities must be made and shoplifting is somewhere down the bottom.

Yeah, I totally get it. I'm not even blaming the police, assuming they're all flat out etc.

I'm more blaming regulations and funding etc, and where that funding comes from, and where it gets directed to.

 

[Borobuddah]

It really is hard to fathom what on earth the motive was here.

Toffs having a jolly jape to show their chums?

 

[Pete@82]

"A video of the felling was filmed on Mr Graham's phone"

The master criminal always makes one fatal mistake.

Akin to the ‘wet bandits’

 

[Airsumaces1968]

*******, I hope they rot in jail.

I would give them a minimum of 10 years each with no parole for what they did - an absolute disgrace in our generation

 

[fmttmadmin]

The National Trust is a member organisation and in recent years the members have been very careful in how they have used their votes - steering the national body away from any clutches of the far irght for instance.

The National Trust are a horrible corrupt corporation

 

[fmttmadmin]

Best post on the thread

It wouldn't set a precedent - many people have been imprisoned for heritage crimes.

For instance

How two metal detectorists struck gold then cheated their way to prison

How recklessness and greed led the finders of one of Britain's rarest treasure troves to jail.

www.bbc.co.uk