xxlshirts_fit_all
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Why do we need to insult people we don’t agree with…
Have they claimed their victory for Sun motorists yet? The one on forcing the govt to maintain the freeze on fuel duty?I dare say the Sun want to jump on the winning band wagon.
They did the same in 97. The left said the same about the Labour Party then too though.
You're not getting a yes or no answer from me on that. You know the reason why. The framing of your questions is disingenuous. Instead I will quote what Starmer actually said verbatim and you can make up your own mind (yes I know you already have).Did Starmer promise not to write for the Sun? Yes, or no?
Did Starmer write for the Sun? Yes, or no?
You can have a yes on that one because it's a matter of public record. But quite how you can deduce from his attendance at a function that he's 'sold out' to Murdoch only you can explain. Most people would be uneasy about his attendance but not many would put quite the same spin on it as you have.Did Starmer attend parties thrown by the Murdochs? Yes, or no?
Failing to accurately lay out Starmer's actual comments is hardly nuance. So working on the basis that your FACT #2 is reliant on FACT #1 being true then I'll give you 1 out of 3. Not as good as Meatloaf but better than nothing.You can argue the nuance all you want but you can't argue with the facts.
I'm sure there's an insult in there somewhere but I'll let it go.And considering you normally approach nuance like normal people approach tigers I'm surprised you've suddenly decided it's important.
Yes I want the Tories out but I know we live in a democracy so what will be will be. That's hardly being needy, more pragmatic I would say.But you want the Tories out? Surely that's just being needy...
Yet you use them yourself all the same.And that just shows why analogies are always a poor substitute for reality
Not the orange ball in the sky, that’s way off shining for him but the old red top scum of the MSM…
I guess they’re wanting to claim they’ve won it for him…
But for me it shows just how far to the right he’s taken labour…
I’ll still vote for them to help get the tories out but they best start making a difference or they’ll be as toast as the tories at the next election…
Have you read Oliver Eagleton's? - The Starmer Project: a Journey to the RightHave you read Starmer's biography by Tom Baldwin?
Have you read Oliver Eagleton's? - The Starmer Project: a Journey to the Right
How can anyone cross off a list, when they've not been in power to do anything? They've had ~200 seats for the last 4.5 years.
Because it's a list of pledges where the content of the pledge has since been watered down by things that have been published or said by Starmer or his Shadow Cabinet members.How can anyone cross off a list, when they've not been in power to do anything? They've had ~200 seats for the last 4.5 years.
Which says everything about the voters Starmer has attracted. You've also gone through the list to explain how Labour are still applying the pledges which rather contradicts your voting intention.if Labour hadn't changed their pledges or moved on from this for their manifesto I wouldn't be voting for them
Unions are on Labour's side
Ask Starmer.How can anyone cross off a list, when they've not been in power to do anything? They've had ~200 seats for the last 4.5 years.
Also, that was written in January 2020, it's not 2020. To not expect a lot of that to be watered down, or not even make the list of the top priorities now would be completely ignoring what has happened in the last 4.5 years. Need to get with reality, if Labour hadn't changed their pledges or moved on from this for their manifesto I wouldn't be voting for them, as it's largely out of date. That whole list went out the window in March 20 with Covid, and what came as a result of that, never mind the wars, energy crisis, inflation, high interest rates, poor economy, massive debt etc.
But, as for the list:
1 - They will do a far better job cutting tax avoidance, than the Tories, see changing non dom rules as an example.
2 - They will do better than the Tories, do you not think 400+ Labour MP's will not want this? They will get the NHS waiting lists down, no doubt about it, but it will take time. Healthcare workers don't grow on trees, and loads of our voting clowns don't want us in the EU so hard to get them from abroad. 6,500 new teachers should help learning.
3 - Not doing too bad on this already to be honest, and Labour will advance that even more than the Tories. Tons of wind farms, solar, BESS sites and interconnectors being built now, and Labour will remove some of the stupid constrains to speed this up. Also GB Energy and onshore wind. Banning new ICE cars from 2030 too.
4 - Unproven either way, but they will support Ukraine and defence, no doubt about it.
5 - GB Energy (good idea), promised to nationalise rial within 5 years (bad idea, but will appease some of the left I imagine). Can't buy out everything when we're skint either.
6 - Migrants rights will be far better than they are now, stopping the people traffickers is not a bad idea. Not sure what they're doing about the voting, but have allowed 16+ to vote.
7 - Unions are on Labour's side
8 - Difficult to do this with all the far right/ right kicking off, investment will be touch unless we sort the economy out, and with high debt and high finance charges.
9 - Labour will be far more for equality than the Tories, no doubt about it.
10 - Job done, no longer needs to be the opposition, as they're going to win the election. Need to ensure they're in for at least two terms though.