Starmers response to rishi pledges

No point yet announcing things that you may have to change or u-turn as the term is called.

And yet the shadow chancellor was on the radio today announcing that Labour won't be introducing any sort of wealth tax. 🤷‍♂️ And Starmer's been on TV to announce that he wants to use "partnerships" with the private sector to sort out NHS waiting lists. 🤷‍♂️

So I guess announcing some things are okay. The rule seems to be that they can announce policies that could just as easily come from tories.
 
And yet the shadow chancellor was on the radio today announcing that Labour won't be introducing any sort of wealth tax. 🤷‍♂️ And Starmer's been on TV to announce that he wants to use "partnerships" with the private sector to sort out NHS waiting lists. 🤷‍♂️

So I guess announcing some things are okay. The rule seems to be that they can announce policies that could just as easily come from tories.
I guess all we can hope for is a labour landslide and these Tory light polices like private public partnerships are kicked into touch by their own backbenchers. As for reeves she's another I believe will only twiddle with minor fiscal changes and will make litter impact on wealth inequality. I want labour to win and smash the Tories but once in I want a labour party true to its socialist principles sadly I don't think we will get that
 
I've only read the first page - I might well read the rest - but already there seem to be three types of poster/voter:

1/ "Labour aren't this, aren't that; they haven't done enough to convince me."
Basically, you're a Tory, you vote Tory; however, you know you're on a left-wing board and you want your tummy tickled. F Off. Vote Tory like you're gonna. I don't care what you think or say.

2/ "Labour aren't this, aren't that, but I'm gonna vote for them."
Fair play, but have you ever considered voting Tory? I'm serious. If you don't then we will all have to carry around the burden of your disappointment that your utopia you dreamed of isn't happening. We'll feel so beholden, like we've betrayed you! If that happens, next time, vote Tory. Soothe something in you. It'll be ok xx

3/ It's obvious we need a Labour Government and we need to wrest not only power from those whose insane neo-liberal ideology - which privatises profit and socialises risk, and which is driven by a philosophy which sees everyone as a selfish economic counting machine - must be superseded: it needs to be replaced by a consciously social democratic mixed economy that encourages private enterprise but that also looks after the security - territorial and economic - and the health - mental and physical - of the population (as an utmost priority) and manages the core infrastructure of the nation of behalf of the people - who always and forever own it.

I do believe Labour will work towards this goal because I see the Labour Party as representing everyone who has to work for a living (i.e. everyone who can't simply live off 'investments) and everybody who can't work for a living.

It has to. Whoever it is peopled by - and they're invariably good people anyhow - Labour's history obliges it to fulfill that function.

And if 'it' f**ks up, its not by design.
 
Only appropriate response whenever the tired "YoU mUsT lIkE tHe ToRiEs ThEn 🤪" comes out.

Insults usually come out when the argument has been lost, so maybe some (you even?) would prefer the Tories to remain in power rather than Starmer & Labour to get in?

I understand @viv_andersons_nana's frustrations but when in opposition you can't really change much and I am not sure what Labour could be doing right now to sort the NHS out and prevent deaths. Feasibly the only thing they can do is get in power and fix it then.

But to say that Labour "aren't prepared to stand up for what is right and stand on a platform where the only thing they have is not being as bad as ‘them’' is disingenuous. The Guardian article a few pages back is a good example of the direction Labour would be heading in which is a big leap from what the Tories are currently offering.
 
I guess all we can hope for is a labour landslide and these Tory light polices like private public partnerships are kicked into touch by their own backbenchers. As for reeves she's another I believe will only twiddle with minor fiscal changes and will make litter impact on wealth inequality. I want labour to win and smash the Tories but once in I want a labour party true to its socialist principles sadly I don't think we will get that

Have a read of the Guardian article a few pages back - if anything like that comes to fruition there could be billions raised from wealth inequality.
 
Insults usually come out when the argument has been lost, so maybe some (you even?) would prefer the Tories to remain in power rather than Starmer & Labour to get in?

Doubling down on it eh? (y)

Calling people tories (when I think you know they're as far removed as could be) and then trying to take some moral high ground about insult coming out? What a hypocrite you are.

Like I said. :poop:🤡
 
Have a read of the Guardian article a few pages back - if anything like that comes to fruition there could be billions raised from wealth inequality.
This one I think?


I'm definitely in the "Starmer isn't particularly impressive but I'll be voting labour anyway" camp, but always good to read other viewpoints.

I suspect the hard core Corbynites on here will rip it to shreds and they do generally make some good points although I don't agree with them about everything of course.

Definitely worth a read anyway.
 
Doubling down on it eh? (y)

Calling people tories (when I think you know they're as far removed as could be) and then trying to take some moral high ground about insult coming out? What a hypocrite you are.

Like I said. :poop:🤡

Doubling down on insults eh?

TBH Stu I am not surprised. I always try to keep our discussions civil but it is often your little anti-Starmer firm that lets them rip. Maybe it is a trait of the far left? Who knows.

I've never heard of a :poop:🤡 before so at least I have learned something new with our little chat. It doesn't really flow off the tongue though so I don't think I'll use it in real life, plus it's not really offensive. I don't think I'll be getting punched in the pub for calling someone a poop clown :D

Have a good one Stu (y)
 
This one I think?


I'm definitely in the "Starmer isn't particularly impressive but I'll be voting labour anyway" camp, but always good to read other viewpoints.

I suspect the hard core Corbynites on here will rip it to shreds and they do generally make some good points although I don't agree with them about everything of course.

Definitely worth a read anyway.

Agree Festa. I'd love a more Burnhamesq type character but it is what it is. It is a good article, it even interested some Tory leaning friends of mine.
 
I don't think I'll be getting punched in the pub for calling someone a poop clown :D

🤷‍♂️ Good? (y)

I always try to keep our discussions civil but it is often your little anti-Starmer firm that lets them rip. Maybe it is a trait of the far left?

You've gone from calling me a tory to far left in a little under two hours. :ROFLMAO: And you've taken me saying you're a :poop:🤡 and for some reason ascribed blame for that to everyone else on the far left? Honestly I don't think you're as civil as you tell yourself. Maybe a little blindspot of yours.
 
🤷‍♂️ Good? (y)



You've gone from calling me a tory to far left in a little under two hours. :ROFLMAO: And you've taken me saying you're a :poop:🤡 and for some reason ascribed blame for that to everyone else on the far left? Honestly I don't think you're as civil as you tell yourself. Maybe a little blindspot of yours.

Have a good one Stu (y)
 
This one I think?


I'm definitely in the "Starmer isn't particularly impressive but I'll be voting labour anyway" camp, but always good to read other viewpoints.

I suspect the hard core Corbynites on here will rip it to shreds and they do generally make some good points although I don't agree with them about everything of course.

Definitely worth a read anyway.
Good article that. Somehow missed it when I read the actual paper but been wiped out with cold/flu/manflu this week so have not bothered to read much of anything.

Was thinking of sending it to my Tory voting friends? of which there are many but I know what reaction I would get. Something along the lines of 1)how are they going to pay for it, 2) will that mean my tax will go up, 3)what do Labour stand for , 4) I dont trust Starmer(but they would all have BJ back in an instant)
 
Good article that. Somehow missed it when I read the actual paper but been wiped out with cold/flu/manflu this week so have not bothered to read much of anything.

Was thinking of sending it to my Tory voting friends? of which there are many but I know what reaction I would get. Something along the lines of 1)how are they going to pay for it, 2) will that mean my tax will go up, 3)what do Labour stand for , 4) I dont trust Starmer(but they would all have BJ back in an instant)

I was surprised with my Tory leaning friends with how they reacted. I think some of them are looking for an alternative but they are struggling to commit to Labour and I think it helped.
 
Good article that. Somehow missed it when I read the actual paper but been wiped out with cold/flu/manflu this week so have not bothered to read much of anything.

Was thinking of sending it to my Tory voting friends? of which there are many but I know what reaction I would get. Something along the lines of 1)how are they going to pay for it, 2) will that mean my tax will go up, 3)what do Labour stand for , 4) I dont trust Starmer(but they would all have BJ back in an instant)
To be fair I think your more traditional Tory voters aren't against any public spending, they expect services to be maintained at good levels.

They're just cautious about it (conservative even, clue is in the name I suppose) and probably believe the public sector is a bit wasteful.

All but the most delusional have to realise by now that services haven't been maintained, not even close. They've been left to rot (at best) or systemically bled dry (at worst). A labour party that can make a case for carefully planned investment to start to undo the damage probably has a fair chance of winning those sort of Tory voters over.

The hardcore Boris Johnson fanboys are a lost cause. If anyone still thinks he's the answer it doesn't matter what labour propose. Johnson will just promise more magic rainbows and they'll believe it.
 
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