Starmers biggest problem.
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Cooper671
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You might prefer that.... but as stated he’s a “political rockstar” before becoming PM you could show his photo to any average joe in the street and they would know who he was. That’s my point. Most of the country don’t give a shat about day to day politics.... the tories binning him and reverting back to the “typical Tory” would be political suicide.
Johnson could do a terrible job (here come he already is remarks) but he still would fair better than anyone they could replace him with in the majority of the public eye
Johnson could do a terrible job (here come he already is remarks) but he still would fair better than anyone they could replace him with in the majority of the public eye
Support for Labour seems to be diminishing rapidly because Starmer is perceived to be too centrist. The RLB incident hasn’t gone down well at all - it could be just a matter of time before the left of the party push for a leadership challenge
I don't think Labour's support is "diminishing rapidly". I'm pretty sure Labour would have fared better in the December 2019 election if Keir Starmer was the leader then. Conversely, if there is a challenge for the leadership from the Left of the party, (why would there be though?) then it will condemn Labour to at least another decade of opposition, with more time spent infighting than formulating policy. Looking back on Labour's performance at the election, the only surprise is that they won as many seats as they did. Shambolic is being kind to Corbyn and co.
HolgateCorner
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It was Brexit that won it in Dec 2019, look at the European election results held just a few months before when the Tory vote collapsed in the face of UKIP playing their strongest team.
Corbyn’s policy on having another referendum, however it was arrived at, proved to be a key strategic error on top of a generally poor campaign.
Johnson can be entertaining in the eyes of some but he is not a superstar, Theresa May ran a lacklustre campaign and got a similar Tory vote share in 2017.
One thing Corbyn did do though was drag the Tories to the left, look at how big the magic money tree has grown under Johnson.
r00fie1
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Corbyn got in wrong on Brexit.
No doubt about it.
Paterson
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Cooper makes a fair point about Johnson and his appeal to people with little interest in politics. My daughter likes him on the basis that he's 'a laugh'. On a different note my Mam wouldn't vote for labour under Corbyn, but couldn't give any specific reasons why, yet is already enthusiastic about Starmer, based on little more than 'he looks like a Prime Minister'.
Zoophonic
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How old is your daughter by the way. When I was 4 I loved Charlie Cairoli.
Your second point is exactly how my aunt feels. She loves Starmer.
Laughing
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Cooper is talking a load of old cr@p. Johnson's approval rating is in the toilet and the tories will get shot of him later this year or early next, so they can lay the brexit blame at his feet.
He is right that almost everyone recognises him, but the same people could point Hitler out in a picture too.
He is right that almost everyone recognises him, but the same people could point Hitler out in a picture too.
Same_as_before
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There is no such thing as bad publicity
SmallTown
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Patently untrue
Paterson
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She's 27. Doesn't follow politics at all but gets the same vote as someone who reads the manifestos cover to cover.
Can see your point Laughing, but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion the tories will casually throw Boris away. Remember he's not even been party leader/PM for a year yet, and in that time he's won them the sort of majority they haven't had since the 80s.
Look at it this way. Supposing in 2024 Starmer won the 120 odd seats Labour need to get a majority of 1, or go further than that and say he won 150 odd seats to give the party a real working majority. Would you expect a leadership challenge and for Starmer to be replaced in 2025/2026?
Again I'm not saying it's impossible. But I wouldn't take it for granted that Boris won't be contesting the next UKPGE.
BlindBoyGrunt
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If Starmer could pull that off it would require a particular skill set which would include reunifying the party, communicating effectively, and producing a manifesto that would woo those voters who have drifted away. In Johnson's case I believe that he was nothing more than a figurehead for 'get Brexit done' and may well be dropped before the next election.
Mendieta14
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Starmers doing well. He calm, measured and most importantly credible - unlike Miliband and Corbyn.
SmallTown
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Did Bozo just say "the're the ditherers" today?
It's weird isn't it? From him saying how good the government had responded to the crisis, to him saying a failed app was "world beating". It's not just that he lies. He says the EXACT opposite of the actual truth.
It's one of two things: he has a psychological condition that makes him a pathological liar or he has so little regard for the British public he's deliberately saying the opposite to humiliate us.
It's weird isn't it? From him saying how good the government had responded to the crisis, to him saying a failed app was "world beating". It's not just that he lies. He says the EXACT opposite of the actual truth.
It's one of two things: he has a psychological condition that makes him a pathological liar or he has so little regard for the British public he's deliberately saying the opposite to humiliate us.
Laughing
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The tories clean house very quickly when a leader is bringing the party down. Clearly Johnson's popularity is in the toilet. If those polls start to bleed into the conservative party generally, they will dump Johnson.
To answer your question if Starmer's policies were killing people 6 months after a resounding GE win, yes I would expect Labour to drop him.
See this is the other piece of conventional wisdom I always see, but I'm not sure how true it is these days. May had the shocking campaign in 2017, lost them their majority, and stuck around as leader for another two years. They even had their VONC and bottled it. She went of her own accord in the end.
NYboro
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He's learnt from Trump that he can say what he likes and get away with it.
changingman
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I'm sure ensuring that current leader of the Conservative can't be "dropped" is pretty high on Dominic Cummings' list of priorities at the moment. Four years of constitutional and executive reform could, in theory, lead us down the one party state path.