Starmer on Marr this morning

zorro_mfc said:
You can yawn all you like but they were the only fully pro eu option and they didn’t do too well did they.
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No. Well they did in St Albans and Twickenham in unseating sitting Tory MPs. But their appeal didn’t stretch beyond Hertfordshire.
 
From Labours own website

Commenting on the outcome, a Labour spokesperson said: “Labour’s European elections manifesto was agreed at the NEC today and it will be published soon.

“Labour is the only party which represents both people who supported Leave and Remain. We are working to bring the country together after the chaos and crisis created by the Tories.”
 
zorro_mfc said:
From Labours own website

Commenting on the outcome, a Labour spokesperson said: “Labour’s European elections manifesto was agreed at the NEC today and it will be published soon.

“Labour is the only party which represents both people who supported Leave and Remain. We are working to bring the country together after the chaos and crisis created by the Tories.”
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And then they published it.

"we will put that deal to a public vote alongside the option to remain."

So, a second referendum as a manifesto promise. That not confused messaging, it's clear as day.
 
You could hardly say their stance on the EU was clear and that’s from a Labour voter.

they seemed to base their strategy on if we don’t have an opinion then we won’t up set either side.
 
I don't know what to tell you - Labour offered a second referendum. So my point stands.

They also offered lots else, and people voted for them for lots of reasons.

The Lib Dems did terribly, on a pro-EU platform. They also had a pro-Jo Swinson and not apologising for austerity platform.

It's a bad metric.
 
True more people voted for parties that preferred to remain in the EU in the last election
 
Nero said:
I was talking to a girl at the check out in Tesco today. She's working part time while studying a law degree. She was hoping to spend a year in Europe, but is probably not able to now.

At 19 she's one of the generation with no voice. Too young to vote in 2016 but now dealing with the ***** of older people.
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whats stopping her ?
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
This is what makes me so angry!
Poor lass, all because of an older racist xenophobic generation who are wandering around completely unaware of their prejudices
And therefore voting for Brexit
My parents are a case in point and my older brother
So sad
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As said to Nero - whats stopping her ?
I would really like to know
 
HundredRoom said:
As said to Nero - whats stopping her ?
I would really like to know
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Erasmus has been cancelled, so there's no formal way of doing it. That would mean she'd have to organise entry herself, likely entailing tuition costs. She'd also have to organise her own health insurance for a year after the loss of EHIC and apply for a visa out of her own pocket (a student working as a cashier, so not a top earner).
 
Erasmus was never a guarantee anyway, her chances of participating in it were slim, even more so if she's from a working class background. The Turing Scheme starting in September is supposedly addressing that, but then that requires putting faith in the government to get something right.
 
LaPennaBianca said:
Erasmus has been cancelled, so there's no formal way of doing it. That would mean she'd have to organise entry herself, likely entailing tuition costs. She'd also have to organise her own health insurance for a year after the loss of EHIC and apply for a visa out of her own pocket (a student working as a cashier, so not a top earner).
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Hundred room
That good enough for you Bonny lad ?
That’s what is making it very very difficult for her when it didn’t need to be but we’ve left now....
Hope I’m alive to witness the next referendum that takes us back in. But on a much worse deal
 
MFP said:
Erasmus was never a guarantee anyway, her chances of participating in it were slim, even more so if she's from a working class background. The Turing Scheme starting in September is supposedly addressing that, but then that requires putting faith in the government to get something right.
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Straight from a government press release.

As someone who organised an Erasmus exchange between his former institution and a European one and was exchange director for his dept for two years I can say this is untrue.

In the five years I was involved (as director and a supervisor) - every student who applied to participate in Erasmus did so.

The idea that it is some sort of exclusive scheme for middle class kids is a nonsense. The fact is, most kids at uni are middle class, the class selection has already taken place.

The issue was a lack of uptake as students worried about an extra year of interest on their student loans, language barriers and being a year behind their mates when they got back.
 
You must stop assuming your opinion is fact.

A HEFCE report in 2010 found that UK participants were “disproportionately young, female, white and middle-class, and are academic high-achievers”. A subsequent House of Lords enquiry reported that “students from ethnic minorities; with a disability; who were older; or who had parents from a non-professional background, were less likely to participate in the Erasmus programme”.
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MFP said:
You must stop assuming your opinion is fact.
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You said her chances of participating were slim.

If she was already at uni and applied - she would have been able to participate, regardless of her background.

The selection for those that takes part is not due to the scheme itself, but due to other factors - as that report outlines.

A bit of selective googling doesn't count as fact.
 
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