Starmer obliterates Sunak in PMQs

Cleverly looks more like 'the accused' squeezed into his court appearances suit than the Home Secretary.
 
Other than the countless millions that being PM guarantees, when I watch PMQs I always wonder why anyone would want to put themselves through it, especially when a government is on the rack. Is it ego?
 
sparkins said:
Other than the countless millions that being PM guarantees, when I watch PMQs I always wonder why anyone would want to put themselves through it, especially when a government is on the rack. Is it ego?
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I think Sunak has done it so that he feels like a somebody when he is around his super rich in laws, rather then the wet lettuce that I am sure they still see him as.

He cuts a very sad pathetic figure actually.
 
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Just watched it. Wanted to be joyful, however the prospect of a Labour leader endeavouring to one up a Tory in terms of anti immigrant orthodoxy I find depressing in the extreme.
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I was going to post something similar but realised I'd just be outing myself as a Tory enabler or something.

What I don't understand is why these so-called 'sensibles' don't take these opportunities to educate the public on why immigration is high. There was a whole host of twitter centrists defending Starmer due to Labour's proposed solutions to the 'crisis' but Starmer decided to go on the attack with an "immigration is out of control" line rather than the equally devastating but true "immigration is high because EU laws banning lower wages for immigrants have been torn up by the Tories to keep their donors happy".

He could have had even more impact with his put downs without playing to the right-of-centre crowd. Strange decisions.
 
speckyget said:
Just watched it. Wanted to be joyful, however the prospect of a Labour leader endeavouring to one up a Tory in terms of anti immigrant orthodoxy I find depressing in the extreme.
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Because despite what some people might think on here, current immigration numbers are unsustainable. Its just another area of mismanagement that is correctly being highlighted by Starmer.
 
Britain used to have a ready supply of cheap labour with young people from all over Europe who came and went based on natural free market forces and didn't need to bring their families with them. This has now been replaced by permanent immigration from the Subcontinent & Africa. Be careful what you wish for Brexiteers.
Don't like immigration? Get back into Europe as fast as you can.
Labour should ditch the pussyfooting & avoidance stance on Brexit and argue the case clearly and boldly to differentiate themselves from the BS of the last 10 years.
 

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Because despite what some people might think on here, current immigration numbers are unsustainable. Its just another area of mismanagement that is correctly being highlighted by Starmer.
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But it isn't mismanagement. It's deliberate.

Brexit allowed the Tories to amend the rules on immigrant wages which means companies can import labour and pay 20% less. The EU had a ban on this.

Labour know this (and even have a proto-policy to reverse it) but they keep it quiet so as not to offend the pro-Brexit base that they're currently wooing.
 
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Scrote said:
But it isn't mismanagement. It's deliberate.

Brexit allowed the Tories to amend the rules on immigrant wages which means companies can import labour and pay 20% less. The EU had a ban on this.

Labour know this (and even have a proto-policy to reverse it) but they keep it quiet so as not to offend the pro-Brexit base that they're currently wooing.
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I would expect reversal of the policy to be popular with Brexit fans who are employees themselves. They're not the Tories' paymasters, however.
 
Scrote said:
I was going to post something similar but realised I'd just be outing myself as a Tory enabler or something.

What I don't understand is why these so-called 'sensibles' don't take these opportunities to educate the public on why immigration is high. There was a whole host of twitter centrists defending Starmer due to Labour's proposed solutions to the 'crisis' but Starmer decided to go on the attack with an "immigration is out of control" line rather than the equally devastating but true "immigration is high because EU laws banning lower wages for immigrants have been torn up by the Tories to keep their donors happy".

He could have had even more impact with his put downs without playing to the right-of-centre crowd. Strange decisions.
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He didn't because the first line is pithy the second would have the electorate falling asleep before starmer finished saying it.

It is ridiculous to suggest politicians should educate the electorate during parliament. That keeps you in opposition for ever. The electorate are not interested in hard to articulate facts. You know this
 
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