Squad cohesion

ForssAwakens

ForssAwakens

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I think it’s safe to say that we’ve passed the point to say early business has been done

The thing that gets me is that the start of every season and January we have a period where we don’t look settled

Feels that way again. How much importance should be put on squad cohesion, especially when major changes are being made
 
Dybuk said:
A good start to the season is over rated. We haven't had one in ages and it's not harmed us at all. Always plenty of time to puck up the points.
I dont even look at the table till about mid march.
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If we are consistently points behind after the first 4weeks and points behind at the end of the season, then it suggests that bad starts are consistently harming us.
 
Dybuk said:
A good start to the season is over rated. We haven't had one in ages and it's not harmed us at all. Always plenty of time to puck up the points.
I dont even look at the table till about mid march.
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We've not been promoted in a decade, and have only made the play-offs twice in that time, so it has harmed us on plenty of occasions.
 
indeedido said:
If we are consistently points behind after the first 4weeks and points behind at the end of the season, then it suggests that bad starts are consistently harming us.
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Not if we want to be a midtable championship team...

3 points is 3 points whenever you get them. If you don't get them at the start you have to do extra at the end and that's difficult to do. A bad start always harms you.
 
Dybuk said:
A good start to the season is over rated. We haven't had one in ages and it's not harmed us at all.
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I'd argued this in the past, but I looked at it after the start of last season. Actually, the teams who get promoted usually are in the top 6 after the first 6 matches.

What I don't think is at all important is having a settled squad at this point. No one does.

The cost of getting business done quickly is usually overpaying. Both in fees and wages.

It's far more important to success to avoid that than it is to get business done early.
 
To be fair - Edwards does need to have a look at the squad before we go out a spend a whole load of cash. He's only been in the house a couple of weeks. I guess after the Portugal trip he'll have an understanding of what's needed
 
Nano said:
Not if we want to be a midtable championship team...
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Do you believe that?

So we are losing £13m or whatever a season trying not to get promoted, I dare say we could do this a hell of a lot cheaper.

Sometime I think we forget that another 23 teams in that league all want the same thing, and are trying to stop us achieving promotion in there own self interest
 
Rauko said:
To be fair - Edwards does need to have a look at the squad before we go out a spend a whole load of cash. He's only been in the house a couple of weeks. I guess after the Portugal trip he'll have an understanding of what's needed
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We already know we need a striker, a midfielder and a right back, even if he's looking at what we already have.

That's before any exits too.
 
TeaCider said:
We already know we need a striker, a midfielder and a right back, even if he's looking at what we already have.

That's before any exits too.
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True - but what if he thinks not? What if he's seen something in somebody in the squad that means we could spend the money elsewhere?

At the end of the day, he's manager. He's had a week with the squad. Give him a chance to see what we've got and need first hand
 
Dybuk said:
You genuinely thought what I said was my point of view? Blimey. I know there are blinkered fans on here but surely everyone is sick of our poor starts by now?
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You pointing it out as ironic is fine by me.
No point anyone arguing given it’s obvious we all feel exactly the same about our starts.
A sign of the frustrations of many that we bicker even when we largely agree.
 
Truth is we did our business quite early the last two seasons and it has not made a huge difference (although I would argue we actually played well at the start of last season but just could not put the ball in the net).

There may have been some specific requests from Edwards - the most successful right backs for Carrick were defensive minded that could cover as a right of a back 3 - we may have switched.

We may be looking for "all action" midfield and attacking players to improve our pressing game.

Also... Hackney, Azaz, RVDB staying or going makes a massive difference.

Also. The new coaches might like the look of McCabe, Dede, Hunt, McCormick, the Palmer twins, and Finch.

Might also like the idea of McGree deeper, Forss up top, Barlaser in the new system, etc.

Also... what have the long term injuries done to McGree, Lenihan, Bangura, and Fry - do they think they might have sorted the niggles and be able to play 46 at a high level.

It's not like fifa/football manager where the positions, fitness, and attributes are a known. Pre-season tests will be making a difference to our moves.
 
I'd kind of agree about the bad starts. Good point made about being adrift by say 12 points after the first month and then 12 points at the end of the season.
Stats are mad, you can skew them in myriad different ways to suit a narrative, but this one makes sense.

How many times do the people in the hot seats in the league champion the abity to maintain consistency as the vehicle to promotion? I'd go so far as to say a strong start is almost essential to a successful campaign. "Almost!" (before someone quotes Nottingham for rest at me)
 
Only need to see Sunderland last season. They started off like a train and because they built up so much of a lead and momentum, that meant when they did have a wobble and lost form, the pts in the bank allowed them to stay in the POs.

I’d much much rather be chased than do the chasing.

Only 3 years ago we were chasing Sheff Utd for 2nd spot and we were on fire. And yet we still didn’t get close to them because of the initial start we had that season.

Promotion can’t be gained in the first 2 months. But it can very likely be lost.
 
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