Southampton - Delap - Armstrong
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Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants
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Just seen this. This could be the one to release Armstrong.
viv_andersons_nana
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What I find amazing about deals like this is the amount of money these massive corporate entities are charging for kids. Delap for £16m is absolutely absurd. Southampton have already signed Romeo Lavia from Manchester City for £10.5m. He has no senior league football to his name, only two cup appearances. Man. City have sold a player to Leeds for £5m this summer. Darko Gyabi. No senior football to his name.
Gavin Bazunu was sold for £12m and if Southampton signed Delap for the price quoted above they'd have agreed to pay one club almost £40m for three kids who've made fewer than 100 senior games between them. Southampton also paid Manchester City around £13.5m for Angus Gunn a few years back. What's the link between these clubs? Is there one? It just seems a bit off IMO.
Farming out kids for millions. Hoovering up the best young talent and then charging other clubs an absolute premium in loan fees, sell-on clauses and transfer fees when, in two or three or four years' time, they haven't made it into their first team. I hate it. It feels like it's become another way the wealthiest clubs can negotiate their way around FFP.
There should be a cap on the number of players a football club can have on the books IMO.
Gavin Bazunu was sold for £12m and if Southampton signed Delap for the price quoted above they'd have agreed to pay one club almost £40m for three kids who've made fewer than 100 senior games between them. Southampton also paid Manchester City around £13.5m for Angus Gunn a few years back. What's the link between these clubs? Is there one? It just seems a bit off IMO.
Farming out kids for millions. Hoovering up the best young talent and then charging other clubs an absolute premium in loan fees, sell-on clauses and transfer fees when, in two or three or four years' time, they haven't made it into their first team. I hate it. It feels like it's become another way the wealthiest clubs can negotiate their way around FFP.
There should be a cap on the number of players a football club can have on the books IMO.
weemoby
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I wholeheartedly agree, although I can't see it ever happening.
Dynamo Kev
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city have to pay a premium to get players. works both ways.
S7DiscoDown
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How the feck is Delap 'worth' 16mil? He's a kid who's hardly had a kick.
I thought Balogun on 40k a week who had 1 senior goal was bad enough.
How do these U23s command such high fees and wages? The worlds gone mad. No wonder we can't sign anyone.
That city keeper recently went for 16mil after a good season on loan at Pompey in league 1. Madness.
I thought Balogun on 40k a week who had 1 senior goal was bad enough.
How do these U23s command such high fees and wages? The worlds gone mad. No wonder we can't sign anyone.
That city keeper recently went for 16mil after a good season on loan at Pompey in league 1. Madness.
JM14
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30 million for Delap and Bazunu could be the deal of the season, both players have huge futures
viv_andersons_nana
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Thinking about this as well because it involves Boro. How excited we are to have signed Manchester City's back-up goalkeeper. This isn't a criticism of him or a question about his talent because he's No1 for his country, but more how a huge club can sign one of the best or most promising goalkeepers around just to sit on their bench for a few years. He's 27 but played fewer than 150 senior club games. They paid around £5m($7m) for him but you can guarantee if Boro go up and want to sign him permanently next summer, we'll be quoted treble that if not more.
Manchester City's back-up goalkeeper used to be Martyn Margetson or John Burridge FFS.
Manchester City's back-up goalkeeper used to be Martyn Margetson or John Burridge FFS.
breakthewallsdown
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Putting it lightly, He's the best around
Teesside_Steel
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From memory, weren’t Chelsea fined or given some sort of punishment for signing up a load of kids and having a lot out on loan?
viv_andersons_nana
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People were saying the same things about Angus Gunn but he ended up flitting from one club to another. Do you remember Ben Woodburn from Liverpool? Talked about as the next great hope. He's just been released and joined Preston on a free transfer. Jack Rodwell was going to be the lynchpin of the England side at one point. Back when was 18.
Does Delap have a bigger future than someone like, say, Troy Parrott? He was the big one not so long back. Aaron Connolly and Flo Balogun were hotly tipped but didn't do much for Boro. Do you remember Gael Kakuta? How about Luke Williams?
My issue is that the biggest clubs are hoovering up the talent in a bigger and more aggressive way than ever before and creaming more money in off the back of it. Clubs largely have little or no choice but to pay the premium if they want access to that talent. It's sort of like a tax, this money you have to pay. That a teenager like, say, Patrick Roberts(remember when he was the next big hope?) can be bought by Manchester City as a teenager and then loaned out and out and out. But the fact he was bought by that club is sort of like a validation of his talent, meaning he'll never be short of takers and clubs will always want him.
I always used to say, a few years back, that if one of our younger kids wants to get a game for Boro, his agent should do his best to get Man. City or Spurs or Chelsea to buy him and then we could loan him back. Once his talent had been 'verified' by one of those clubs, he'd be straight into our first team. It was a flippant thing to say but I still think there's a grain of truth in it.
Priv
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They were fined and got a transfer ban for signing underage players from abroad by creating jobs for their parents to try and circumvent the rules.
There has been a proposal from FIFA to limit outgoing loans to 6 by 2024 not sure if it’s been approved or blocked yet.
S7DiscoDown
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It's still a massive gamble.
Bournemouth signed up half of Liverpools 'best young talent' and ended up giving them away.
U23s at a so called big 6 side doesn't mean you'll make it. You could probably argue they could have less drive on such good money. They have lived the academy life since the age of 8-10.
We've had plenty of high profile 'kids' on loan and the majority are poor.
The best crop we had was arguably Bamford / Kalas and Big Ken from Chelsea under AK.
h_m_boro
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And on the flip side McEachran and Baker, also the next big things out of Chelsea, £20k week at 18/19. Both bang average.
All these young players get hoovered up by the top PL teams so their academies are bloated. Knock on effect is massive in that lower teams don't get 3-4 seasons developing these kids, getting the benefit of their talent, THEN selling them for £2-3m - which for a lower league club is massive and keeps the club going for a season or two. To a PL club it's a signing on fee for an average player.
The "trickle down economics" of PL football is the biggest load of bollox in football. Football, for the rich, f*ck everyone else.
Middlesbrough123
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This is why we can’t be selling tav for £15m this summer . His valuation will be way higher next summer but obviously he needs to sign a new contract based on promotion.
viv_andersons_nana
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One thing about a Delap deal would be that Manchester City won't ever put him in their side ahead of Haaland, Alvarez, Mahrez et al but Southampton would play him like they did Broja. But Southampton would commit to the £16m plus wages AND take the risk of allowing him to develop in senior football AND have to agree to pay Manchester City a percentage of any future transfer fee, if and when City or Arsenal or Chelsea buy him for £50m on the back of a good 18 months. So it'd be £16m on their books now PLUS the massive percentage of any future deal. If he doesn't go on to make it at the very top level and drifts around for a bit, then Man. City have already had their £16m.
It just doesn't sit right IMO.
Pear-Drops
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who was the Chelsea player who I think left the club recently, who was their longest servant, but had never played a game for them ?
JM14
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Bazunu isn’t a risk, he was one of the best keepers in the football league last year, he has a huge future
Delap is more unproven but clearly has huge potential. Clubs like Southampton should be taking risks on players like that, he could turn out to be fantastic. They wouldn’t get a premier league quality striker for under 20 million so it’s worth the risk
Badonde
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I agree that this relatively new phenomenon of bloated transfer fees flowing upwards is not a good development.
At least in the past Clubs kicking around the lower leagues could hope for a financial boost by getting transfer fees from those above them.
The dafter the fee the real chance a lower-placed Club could dream of bettering themselves.
Now it seems the rich clubs have found a way to boost their strength/incomes even further. The gap widens every day it seems.
Don't like the way such Clubs seem to 'flip' these free transfers either (I know anyone could do it but they attract).
Ben Davies - Preston to Liverpool FREE - Liverpool to Celtic £4m
Omar Richards - QPR to Bayern FREE - Bayern to Forest £8m (after just 12m and 12 appearances for Bayern)
Footie has gone mad.....suppose if you are giving some players £400k per week you need to dominate every income stream you can.
At least in the past Clubs kicking around the lower leagues could hope for a financial boost by getting transfer fees from those above them.
The dafter the fee the real chance a lower-placed Club could dream of bettering themselves.
Now it seems the rich clubs have found a way to boost their strength/incomes even further. The gap widens every day it seems.
Don't like the way such Clubs seem to 'flip' these free transfers either (I know anyone could do it but they attract).
Ben Davies - Preston to Liverpool FREE - Liverpool to Celtic £4m
Omar Richards - QPR to Bayern FREE - Bayern to Forest £8m (after just 12m and 12 appearances for Bayern)
Footie has gone mad.....suppose if you are giving some players £400k per week you need to dominate every income stream you can.