Southampton - Delap - Armstrong

[Badonde]

I agree that this relatively new phenomenon of bloated transfer fees flowing upwards is not a good development.
At least in the past Clubs kicking around the lower leagues could hope for a financial boost by getting transfer fees from those above them.
The dafter the fee the real chance a lower-placed Club could dream of bettering themselves.
Now it seems the rich clubs have found a way to boost their strength/incomes even further. The gap widens every day it seems.

Don't like the way such Clubs seem to 'flip' these free transfers either (I know anyone could do it but they attract).
Ben Davies - Preston to Liverpool FREE - Liverpool to Celtic £4m
Omar Richards - QPR to Bayern FREE - Bayern to Forest £8m (after just 12m and 12 appearances for Bayern)

Footie has gone mad.....suppose if you are giving some players £400k per week you need to dominate every income stream you can.

 

[Middlesbrough123]

I suppose if delap does well it’s not £16m it’s maybe £8m if he’s there 2 years before he’s sold for a fee well in excess of £16m .

 

[Chappy112]

I think the prices have inflated so it seems worse than it actually is. Why is it any different to us buying Greening and Wilson from United? Or Marinelli who hadn't played senior football?

If there is perceived talent then clubs will pay for it.

Don't like the way such Clubs seem to 'flip' these free transfers either (I know anyone could do it but they attract).
Ben Davies - Preston to Liverpool FREE - Liverpool to Celtic £4m
Omar Richards - QPR to Bayern FREE - Bayern to Forest £8m (after just 12m and 12 appearances for Bayern)

Again why is that any different to us signing Djed Spence for free and then selling him for £12m? Or Ramirez for free and selling him for £6m? Bernardo for free and selling for £4m? If a players contract is up then of course you're gonna sell him for more when he has a longer deal.

 

[S7DiscoDown]

Bazunu isn’t a risk, he was one of the best keepers in the football league last year, he has a huge future

Delap is more unproven but clearly has huge potential. Clubs like Southampton should be taking risks on players like that, he could turn out to be fantastic. They wouldn’t get a premier league quality striker for under 20 million so it’s worth the risk

I guess. The other 'issue' is that City have added so many clauses that they won't get much if he is a success.

The have buy back clause at a set price and a whopping sell on percentage (I'm sure it was around 40%).

 

[Bigstrongman]

What I find amazing about deals like this is the amount of money these massive corporate entities are charging for kids. Delap for £16m is absolutely absurd. Southampton have already signed Romeo Lavia from Manchester City for £10.5m. He has no senior league football to his name, only two cup appearances. Man. City have sold a player to Leeds for £5m this summer. Darko Gyabi. No senior football to his name.

Gavin Bazunu was sold for £12m and if Southampton signed Delap for the price quoted above they'd have agreed to pay one club almost £40m for three kids who've made fewer than 100 senior games between them. Southampton also paid Manchester City around £13.5m for Angus Gunn a few years back. What's the link between these clubs? Is there one? It just seems a bit off IMO.

Farming out kids for millions. Hoovering up the best young talent and then charging other clubs an absolute premium in loan fees, sell-on clauses and transfer fees when, in two or three or four years' time, they haven't made it into their first team. I hate it. It feels like it's become another way the wealthiest clubs can negotiate their way around FFP.

There should be a cap on the number of players a football club can have on the books IMO.

I havnt read the full thread, but I agree. Didn’t Chelsea do that at one point. Had about 20 players out on loan. Some will make it, some won’t. The ones that do or don’t won’t make a difference as the club loaning them are paying yeh wages. Then Chelsea just pick and choose who they want to keep.

Like you said just getting all the local talent and just loaning them out for those clubs to do the dirty work giving them experience and stuff.

Anyone who’s decent they keep or sell at a good price and those who aren’t they just release or sell. Bull shTi really

 

[h_m_boro]

Chelsea had 47 players out on loan for the 18/19 season. 23 last season.

Academy squads should be a similar size to first team for U-18s and U-23s.....but not 25 plus 25 loaned out. It's a joke.

 

[The_Big_Woodowski]

There is also the elite player performance agreement with the EFL. If a team with a cat 1 category academy wants a player from a lower league they get them for buttons. A pre agreed price set out in agreement depending on how long at academy and what go on to achieve. But is really low compared to what there future price could be.

Also the fact average players, as mention Josh Mc and Lewis Baker been next big things never kicked a ball on massive wages. By time released rich enough not to be bothered and still only played handful of games. Not a battle hardened pro.

Also mentioned about giving parents jobs: apparently Derby where paying Tom Inces mam a 6 figure salary as a scout or something when they lured him to the club

 

[Middlesbrough123]

Players are just a commodity .

Just a matter of time before they do a player ‘isa ‘

 

[Badonde]

I think the prices have inflated so it seems worse than it actually is. Why is it any different to us buying Greening and Wilson from United? Or Marinelli who hadn't played senior football?

If there is perceived talent then clubs will pay for it.

Again why is that any different to us signing Djed Spence for free and then selling him for £12m? Or Ramirez for free and selling him for £6m? Bernardo for free and selling for £4m? If a players contract is up then of course you're gonna sell him for more when he has a longer deal.

Chappy but you miss my argument - I don't like how much power is going to the PL.
Yes I know the top division has always called the shots but it's getting silly and dangerous now.
They are in an 'arms race' that is wrecking the sport I love.

Djed Spence
transfer just reinforces my point about a smaller club selling out to a bigger Club.
This is the way it used to work.

Greening and Wilson from United?
PL Club buying from a PL Club.

Marinelli.
£1.5m from a poorer club when we had PL riches (if Boca Juniors had the cash and liked the player they could have kept him)

Ramirez
PL Club taking on an out-of-contract PL player (Soton IIRC)

Bernado
Slaven's spanish brother

I just think it's gone crazier than ever.
Unlimited petro-dollars and billionaire owners.
There is no 'peril' or real risk to them.
Just hoover up the talent with little care about whether it will work or make a profit.

Look at the state of Everton FFS.
Smashed through FFP but got away to fight another day.
I appreciate we enjoyed our day in the sun with Gibson's millions but to quote Sky 'it's a whole different ball game now'

 

[Badonde]

Chelsea had 47 players out on loan for the 18/19 season. 23 last season.

Academy squads should be a similar size to first team for U-18s and U-23s.....but not 25 plus 25 loaned out. It's a joke.

Gutted the way Chelsea were bailed out.
Their 'plight' was even discussed in parliament.
Thank goodness they have scraped together fresh billionaire funders to keep the scum going.