South Stand drama

MolteniArcore said:
Idiots who know that they shouldn't get on to the pitch but still try to should be ejected from the ground. I'd go as far as banning them for the rest of the season as long as CCTV backed it up.
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I'd agree, this one looked like a kid though. Looked younger than a teenager. The stewards response seemed pretty excessive.
 
rbmfc1985 said:
I walked past this. He tried to get on the pitch and the stewards stopped him. Then a few people were arguing with the stewards saying to just let go him back over into the stands and that they were being too harsh. I didn't see what happened nest as we were past them by then.

Obviously they've been given the brief that everyone who encroaches onto the pitch is removed from the ground by stewards. But they did seem to be a little excessive in the way they dealt with him, and he seemed really young. I think putting him back into the stands would have been a better move. But rules are rules, and nobody should be trying to get onto the pitch.
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It carried on and escalated a little after you had walked on. Not sure if it was the lad's family who were arguing with the stewards but they started swinging punches at the stewards, a couple connecting with the senior steward. He did well to restrain himself in fairness. They eventually let the lad back over the hoardings, I assume to stop a full on brawl.

Whilst I agree, from where we were sat, they seemed a little heavy handed, after what happened with fans on the pitch last year the league have set out a zero tolerance approach to fans encroaching on to the pitch so they were probably following new orders. End of the day, he shouldn't have been the wrong side of the hoardings if he wanted to stay out of trouble.

My bigger question was where were the police to step in. It shouldn't have been left to old blokes and kids (stewards) to resolve after it escalated.
 
Wistow_Red said:
Not sure if it was the lad's family who were arguing with the stewards but they started swinging punches at the stewards, a couple connecting with the senior steward. He did well to restrain himself in fairness.
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Swinging punches? What is wrong with these people. I hope CCTV identifies them all and they all get banned if this is what happened. Truly disgusting behaviour.
 
MolteniArcore said:
Swinging punches? What is wrong with these people. I hope CCTV identifies them all and they all get banned if this is what happened. Truly disgusting behaviour.
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You would like to think the stewards are rewarded by their actions of de-escalating the situation, with some retrospective action to identify and ban all involved, as many discretions including unlawful entry onto the playing surface and assault both verbal and physical on staff. It is a very dangerous precedent to leave the incident unchecked and outcomes should be widely publicised.
 
the_holgate_roof said:
You would like to think the stewards are rewarded by their actions of de-escalating the situation, with some retrospective action to identify and ban all involved, as many discretions including unlawful entry onto the playing surface and assault both verbal and physical on staff. It is a very dangerous precedent to leave the incident unchecked and outcomes should be widely publicised.
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You think they should be rewarded for taking liberties with a child? The child was clearly distressed when they got hold of him and they were extremely heavy handed in what I saw. I get that they were following orders and there absolutely needs to be a deterrent. But their job should have been to make sure the situation didn't escalate in the first place, aggressively manhandling a child is only ever going to escalate a situation. Get him back across the hoardings and make sure that the club review the footage and get a ban handed out straight after.

I hated the situation last season with people running on the pitch every game, especially since I had to try to explain to my 8 year old that you never go onto the pitch, even when he was seeing other kids going on and getting photos with players. But if my son had decided not to listen to me (as many do, as they never think about the consequences) and ran onto the pitch then was handled like that, I'd have done anything to protect him. I'd have then been sure to punish him severely afterwards.

I know they will have been following orders. And with an adult I'd have absolutely supported it. But that is not an appropriate way to deal with a child.
 
rbmfc1985 said:
You think they should be rewarded for taking liberties with a child? The child was clearly distressed when they got hold of him and they were extremely heavy handed in what I saw. I get that they were following orders and there absolutely needs to be a deterrent. But their job should have been to make sure the situation didn't escalate in the first place, aggressively manhandling a child is only ever going to escalate a situation. Get him back across the hoardings and make sure that the club review the footage and get a ban handed out straight after.

I hated the situation last season with people running on the pitch every game, especially since I had to try to explain to my 8 year old that you never go onto the pitch, even when he was seeing other kids going on and getting photos with players. But if my son had decided not to listen to me (as many do, as they never think about the consequences) and ran onto the pitch then was handled like that, I'd have done anything to protect him. I'd have then been sure to punish him severely afterwards.

I know they will have been following orders. And with an adult I'd have absolutely supported it. But that is not an appropriate way to deal with a child.
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I have no idea how old the individual was, as I didn’t see the incident, but from what I was reading on here, the person was allowed to return over the hoarding after stewards were physically assaulted, so the incident was de-escalated, so that the incident didn’t get worse but surely then follow up action should now be underway to ban all those involved, would you agree??
 
boroboy6872 said:
Must have been on a borrowed ticket as no-one on the 1st few rows (even at the end) of B62 pulls a banner down because they can`t see

You know what you get when you stand there
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100% - plus it was hardly gripping end to end stuff. I’d have been thankful someone pulling a big red sheet out in front of me! Thankfully I had a full minute of my view being obstructed totally, meaning I didn’t have to witness the entire game. That being said.. a solid point.

South Stand might have had a few fat lines of ketamine and thought he was fighting to stay a float in a sea of blood? Who knows?
 
the_holgate_roof said:
I have no idea how old the individual was, as I didn’t see the incident, but from what I was reading on here, the person was allowed to return over the hoarding after stewards were physically assaulted, so the incident was de-escalated, so that the incident didn’t get worse but surely then follow up action should now be underway to ban all those involved, would you agree??
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As I was walking out a couple of old men and a few women were shouting "let him back over" and "he's only a child" whilst the stewards were dragging him around a clearly distressed child. If I didn't have my son with me asking me why they were hurting a child, I probably would have been saying the same thing.

FYI - the child looked around the age of 10 to me.

They didn't handle the situation well at all. You can say that they were assaulted, but on the other hand, they had the child and then continued to aggressively handle him. Do you really blame anyone for defending a young child against two grown men? Neither of us saw that part of the incident, but from what I saw, I really can't blame a family member or just a member of the public for physically getting involved to defend the child - I felt a little bit sick seeing a child trying to get away from two men who were clearly hurting him. I absolutely can't commend two stewards for de-escalating a situation which should never have been allowed to escalate.

I'd have agreed with banning the child (for a short period of time) if they'd let him back over. But in this situation, I really don't know. If you're an adult, you should not be that aggressive with a child and I can understand someone getting involved to try and get the child out of that situation. Whilst we all agree the deterrant should be there, I'm amazed that anyone thinks it's OK for two grown adults to handle a child in that way.
 
Substitute 'about 17 years old' for 'about 10 years old' then think about the respective responsibilities of the stewards and the parents.

The lad in question looked feral to me and the parents not much better.

Well done to the stewards 👏
 
BoroFur said:
Substitute 'about 17 years old' for 'about 10 years old' then think about the respective responsibilities of the stewards and the parents.

The lad in question looked feral to me and the parents not much better.

Well done to the stewards 👏
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He didn't look anywhere near 17 to me. And I very much doubt a 17 year old, who was "feral" as you put it, would be at a game in the North stand with his parents. Although I did walk past very quickly once my son noticed what was going on as he was getting upset about it. So he may be older than I guessed, but I certainly don't believe anywhere near 16 or 17 especially based on his height.

Of course the parents have to have some responsibility. I've hammered home to my children that they do not go near or onto the pitch at games. But children aren't always going to listen. Neither of my children went on the pitch when we got promotion, yet I'm pretty sure some of the people making comments on here were straight on the pitch at that game.

And I'm not going to prejudge anyone based on appearances. I've met a lot of people over the years who look and sound like the kind of people you don't want to be around, but they turn out to be incredibly respectful and good people. As I said in this situaiton, if the stewards man handed my child in that way I don't know how I'd respond.
 
rbmfc1985 said:
He didn't look anywhere near 17 to me. And I very much doubt a 17 year old, who was "feral" as you put it, would be at a game in the North stand with his parents. Although I did walk past very quickly once my son noticed what was going on as he was getting upset about it. So he may be older than I guessed, but I certainly don't believe anywhere near 16 or 17 especially based on his height.

Of course the parents have to have some responsibility. I've hammered home to my children that they do not go near or onto the pitch at games. But children aren't always going to listen. Neither of my children went on the pitch when we got promotion, yet I'm pretty sure some of the people making comments on here were straight on the pitch at that game.

And I'm not going to prejudge anyone based on appearances. I've met a lot of people over the years who look and sound like the kind of people you don't want to be around, but they turn out to be incredibly respectful and good people. As I said in this situaiton, if the stewards man handed my child in that way I don't know how I'd respond.
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I didn't say he looked 17. I'm saying the stewards have to do their jobs regardless of whether the 'child' is 10 or 17, it should make no difference. The lad wouldn't have got over the hoardings without the assistance of an adult, presumably one or both of his parents.
 
I was at the game but didn't see this. It does seem concerning if it was a boy who was being manhandled by an over zealous steward. That said, if his father was aware of him trying to run onto the pitch he should bear the most serious consequences. The stewards MUST clamp down on this because last season it became ridiculous with people running on the pitch to take a photo with the players. And to make it worse their proud parents taking photos of them from the stands! FFS.

If I recall correctly one young lad ran onto the pitch wearing a Man Utd top. I think I was as insulted by that as I was his behaviour. This has to stop before someone gets seriously hurt and/or games are played behind closed doors and the vast majority of well behaved fans have to suffer.

In Iran, and some other Islamic ruled countries, under strict Sharia law people involved in criminal activity or anti social behaviour are flogged inside their football grounds. With sell out crowds to watch this spectacle of brutality.

Hmmm, now there's a thought? (PS Before I get slated for saying this I am of course joking)
 
There was an incident in the West Stand Upper during the match when someone dropped a slice of their avocado. This made the walkway slightly slippy, with no wet floor sign to warn others. On seeing this severe slip risk a seated fan remonstrated with the man because he had also spilt some of his horlicks from his North Face flask onto the chair beside him.

Stewards were quickly called to de- escalate the situation before it got nasty.
 
**** parenting.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Dopey parents deserve very lengthy bans for allowing kids onto the pitch.
 
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