Interesting terminology there Fatcat - look at my response, then look at yours accusing me of being lairy and bellicose. I wonder who is guilty of that exactly given our repsective contributions to this thread?I’m telling the truth I don’t know a lot about it - happy for you to enlighten me.
If you can find posts of me attacking the Labour Party I’m happy to discuss those but I think you will struggle to find few if any.
You would probably be an ok guy if you weren’t so lairy all the time what was the word used the other day bellicose I think.
But there's no money to be made in troops, its all about lining pocketsIts absolutley insane.
On the nuclear warheas thread - I said that wars these days are not 1980s cold war situations involving nuclear threats. Instead they are civil wars, ISIS threats and the like. You know, things that if you are going to help need feet on the ground.
Nevermind. We have a submarine armed with nukes - that will help with a complex civil war.
The thing is you come in on a thread and accuse me of having a pop at Labour - I was neither doing that on this thread or as mentioned many others.Interesting terminology there Fatcat - look at my response, then look at yours accusing me of being lairy and bellicose. I wonder who is guilty of that exactly given our repsective contributions to this thread?
In regards to the point I was making you often post a lot of stuff on political threads and pretend to be naive or have little / no knowledge of the subject at hand. However, your postings are more often that not positioned as though you're either defending this government or deflecting from their shameful record.
Fair enough, and believe it or not I'm not looking to argue for arguments sake eitherThe thing is you come in on a thread and accuse me of having a pop at Labour - I was neither doing that on this thread or as mentioned many others.
I’ll say agin I have little knowledge of the armed forces - I honestly would not of known if we had 100000 or 800000 soldiers until I looked it up. I’m not really keen for this country to go to war so the 10k reduction I can’t really get upset about from an ideological perspective (obviously I have sympathy for those who will lose their livelihoods as a consequence of that decision) the post seems to be split as to whether the reduction is good bad or indifferent. I certainly disagree with the gvts move to invest more in warheads as I think that is a waste of money.
Whilst I wasn’t defending the gvt I thought the opener “now we have no army”was a bit dramatic given we are reducing numbers by around 12 per cent - that was the one and only point I was making( and not in a lairy manner at all)
So as always from this post I have learnt a couple of things that I didn’t know before which can only be a good thing.
I come in peace wee gord you just don’t need to jump on my threads accusing me of stuff.
See I didn’t know all of that about the Tories saying that Labour would decimate the armed forces (Given that context I can see why people would be more enraged by yesterday’s announcements of cuts)Fair enough, and believe it or not I'm not looking to argue for arguments sake either
For what it's worth, my main gripe is that before the election there were huge campaigns in the media and on social media to try and discredit Labour and Jeremy Corbyn as not being able to be trusted with UK defence and that we would be unsafe under them. The numbers within the armed forces were already at a record low for modern times and yet the Tories and their spin machine discredited Labour as the party to decimate the armed forced. Here we are not even 18 months later and 10,000 further cuts are to be made to the numbers within the armed forces and taking us back to number not know since the 1700s when the population was much, much lower than it is today.
As someone who spent a lot of time campaigning and knocking on doors in the run up to the 2019 election I heard numerous people, a lot of whom were previous Labour voters, saying that they don't trust JC, he's a Russian stooge and the he isn't to be trusted, or that we won't be safe with him as PM. They didn't vote Labour and we got this shower instead.
The same is true of the supposed 20,000 extra police numbers, another lie from the Tories. This blatant lying and deception should be making every single one of us foam at the mouth, and yet all we have is largely muted mumblings at most, with the majority just accepting it as not a problem.
I've said it before and I will say it again - this government is the most corrupt and sinister seen in Europe since the end of the Second World War and the lurch to the hard right shows no signs of abating. The parts of the new bill they're pushing through Parliament that restricts our rights to protest with vague references to 'causing annoyance' should be of grave concern to us all. We are sleepwalking into a hard-right dictatorship make no mistake.
I’m surprised more hasn’t been made of that.
exactly my thoughts, submarines, nukes, drones and other hardware means manufacturing and support contracts to third parties. Not so much money to be made by Tory donors from training a new recruit and equipping them.And yet they woul
But there's no money to be made in troops, its all about lining pockets
No, that was a scare story from this government that if Corbyn was elected he would reduce the size of the army.Isnt this a case of Tory Government employing a Labour party policy? Is it a bad thing ignoring the fact who has done it.?
Well it's what the Tories warned us that Corbyn would do if we elected him, so judge for yourself.I haven’t really thought about nor probably know enough about it. I’m guessing people on here think it’s a bad thing?
Every single one of these lies should be banked, used in advertising campaigns with the strapline "Tories, you can't trust a word they say!"Fair enough, and believe it or not I'm not looking to argue for arguments sake either
For what it's worth, my main gripe is that before the election there were huge campaigns in the media and on social media to try and discredit Labour and Jeremy Corbyn as not being able to be trusted with UK defence and that we would be unsafe under them. The numbers within the armed forces were already at a record low for modern times and yet the Tories and their spin machine discredited Labour as the party to decimate the armed forced. Here we are not even 18 months later and 10,000 further cuts are to be made to the numbers within the armed forces and taking us back to number not know since the 1700s when the population was much, much lower than it is today.
As someone who spent a lot of time campaigning and knocking on doors in the run up to the 2019 election I heard numerous people, a lot of whom were previous Labour voters, saying that they don't trust JC, he's a Russian stooge and the he isn't to be trusted, or that we won't be safe with him as PM. They didn't vote Labour and we got this shower instead.
The same is true of the supposed 20,000 extra police numbers, another lie from the Tories. This blatant lying and deception should be making every single one of us foam at the mouth, and yet all we have is largely muted mumblings at most, with the majority just accepting it as not a problem.
I've said it before and I will say it again - this government is the most corrupt and sinister seen in Europe since the end of the Second World War and the lurch to the hard right shows no signs of abating. The parts of the new bill they're pushing through Parliament that restricts our rights to protest with vague references to 'causing annoyance' should be of grave concern to us all. We are sleepwalking into a hard-right dictatorship make no mistake.
we have been understrength for a decade because of both recruiting difficulties and funding troubles. Having the budget to maintain 72K troops, doesn't give you the budget to recruit at the necessary rate, or train at the necessary rate. It you think suddenly that we will hit our target numbers and it will only be a 3,500 drop, it won't. It will take another 5-10 years but it will dip well below that 72K figure into the mid 60KsThe reduction is actually only 3,500, as the armed forces were 6,500 under strength already. One thing I like is a commitment to improving living conditions for soldiers etc.
An interesting speech from Johnsons 2019 election campaign
these clips need putting into memes and releasing in teh build up to the next electionSadly, for many this lie (amongst all the others) won't make one iota of difference and they'll continue to support those who oppress them. The whole political landscape in this country is shambolic whilst the government continue to steal from the public who continue to support them.
This regime makes many of the tin pot dicatatorships seem almost reasonable.