So have we just given up even pretending to care about the virus now

JM14 said:
The passports are pointless, I went to Silverstone over the summer which was classed as a test event, you needed to state you had a negative lateral flow (no proof required) or were double vaccinated (which doesn’t stop you passing on the virus)
The entire system was just open to being exploited and will never be able to work how it was intended.
You would hope people would have the sense to test before attending a large event, but I highly doubt many would.
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I understand that double jabbed people can pass on the virus and this is why I feel you need to be having regular tests and proof of a negative test before being allowed to sit in a stadium/arena. If you don't have proof, you don't get in.
 
Balaban said:
We've moved from coping with a Pandemic to living with an Endemic...Covid - 19 will never go away just like the flu virus it will just mutate so every year we'll get a vaccine.
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SARS-CoV-2 does not and will not mutate like the flu viruses. The flu viruses, of which there are many, not just one, are subject to both antigenic drift (requiring new vaccines for the same flu strain, every year) and antigenic shift, which leads to totally different strains of flu on a regular basis.

This is due to their genetic makeup. As well as lacking the "error-checking" mechanism that coronaviruses have, and which minimize mutations, influenza viruses contain 8 separate RNA segments which can mate or "reassort” leading to these new strains.

Coronaviruses have genomes with a single RNA segment and cannot reassort. See link below for more details of this.

How viruses mutate

So, as the article below points out:
Unlike flu viruses, "Coronaviruses are not prone to undergo antigenic drift or shift."
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Understanding the evolution of SARS-CoV-2

So while SARS-CoV-2 is gradually changing and we might eventually need a modified vaccine, that hasn't happened yet, in over a year and a half and even if it does, it almost certainly won't be every year like flu vaccines because it's just not like the flu viruses, in terms of its rate and methods of mutation.
 
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Norman_Conquest said:
I understand that double jabbed people can pass on the virus and this is why I feel you need to be having regular tests and proof of a negative test before being allowed to sit in a stadium/arena. If you don't have proof, you don't get in.
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That’s what I meant, all that you were required to do was put into the app if your test was positive or negative, the system was completely reliant on trust so you could have just not taken one and put down that you tested negative. That’s why I don’t think they will ever really work, far too easy to bypass the system.
Personally I don’t understand what is so difficult about testing for some people. It’s a 20 second job but it’s guaranteed plenty wouldn’t bother even if asked to
 
Been in the Canaries a few weeks, holidaymakers coming in from all over. No restrictions other than masks in shops, everything totally normal and virtually zero cases (30 ish in about 500,000 people). So how’s that then?
 
I HAVE NO FUKIN IDEA WHAT TO DO !

I'm double jabbed, and as other posters have said, followed the rules, still wear a mask when I go out now. The entirety of my wifes side of the family have refused the jab, including my wife and my 5 year is too young to have it. As much as I possibly can when I go out, I have to wear a mask, I still sanitise more than I ever did, because I'm scared witless I'll pass it on to my wife. Her selfishness, along with millions of others is partially whats prolonging this.

Government have just thrown in the towel because its too hard and there are enough people who will just use that as the excuse to be reckless again. I love the UK, but sometimes I fuggin hate the stupidity of the citizenry to just do what is good for them and question things we've known for decades as the right course of action.
 
Lurcher said:
I'd think again mate, wife and I finishing 10 day isolation today, both double jabbed, relatively fit, no underlying health conditions and it has been grim, we have both been/are very poorly.
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Blimey that sounds awful , hope you're on the mend . I'm similar had both jabs and healthy and came down with it albeit not too bad . The one thing I wouldnt dispel however is how bad I might of been if I hadn't complied .
 
Norman_Conquest said:
Too many in this country thought it was against their civil liberties but that is a debate on another thread.
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We're not set up to have any form of 'ID on request' that can't easily be morphed into something that really does affect our civil liberties.

Vaccine Passports in the UK are a bad idea. Not for any anti-vax reasons though, which is why both sides of the political divide are against them.

The right for libertarian reasons. The left for civil rights.

The whole thing is a mess and could/should have been handled much better.

The main problem is the lack of engagement with politics in the general public which has allowed the current charlatans to run riot with a largely supine media.
 
I’m double jabbed and also have had coronavirus, I still wear masks inside and try to keep my distance as much as possible.
Sounds stupid but I feel some people copy what others do when going out, if they see others in masks they’ll wear one, if they don’t they won’t.

I was lucky I guess that when I caught it I had only had 1 jab but had no symptoms apart from a runny nose. My partner who was double jabbed had it and was fairly ill for a few days.
 
If we run into winter with these sort of figures then, from my layman's point of view, we'll be in for a rough time as Covid infects people alongside the normal winter ailments such as bronchitis, pneumoniae and other chest and respiratory issues.
It seems like we'd given up once 'Freedom Day' was heralded and we've now lost the advantage of being able to control case numbers and have them at a point where our poor T&T system might have had a chance.
These newly relaxed travel rules will rely on people being honest and we all know how that'll end up.
The lack of soft measures that wouldn't have inconvenienced anyone would have done no harm to remain in place.
 
Borobarmy said:
Blimey that sounds awful , hope you're on the mend . I'm similar had both jabs and healthy and came down with it albeit not too bad . The one thing I wouldnt dispel however is how bad I might of been if I hadn't complied .
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Thanks mate.
 
Even the folks who printed this leaflet have given up. What's the glaring reason for vaccination missing from this info sheet?

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I have mentioned before on this site, management of the risk of the virus is measured in two ways.
The likelihood of catching the virus against the severity of the illness once caught. Lockdowns manage the former and the injections the second.
Once a large majority of the most vulnerable have received their jabs and maintain protected against the virus, then the rest of the population wont be badly affected if they catch the virus. If you are vulnerable and refuse the jabs, then that is a big risk that you are taking.
So infection rates are rising again, however hospitals are coping and the death rate hasn't climbed at the same rate.
In my area in Devon & Cornwall the rate of infection has gone through the roof and we have been at the top of the league for infections, this is driven by festivals and tourism. There has been no talk of locking down and we hope that as the tourist season ends things will settle down again.
There is a point that we have to live with the disease in the community and to try to live our lives again. I am fearful of the future, both for my own health and the health of my employees and customers. Having said that we do have to try to move forward with living our lives in as safe a way as possible.
 
I suspect at some point in the next 6 weeks there will be a gradual increase in hospital pressures due to the normal full capacity of every year and the creeping flu and covid demand.

At this point some panicked reintroduction of measures will be brought in which is too late. We will then start the lockdown process towards December.

I hope I'm wrong, but that extra capacity that covid patients take never existed previously, and NHS staff and capacity is stretched to its limit most years.

Routine services in Plymouth were suspended briefly a few weeks back as they were full in the hospital due to the extra covid demand, at present that pressure has eased but I expect within the next 6 weeks routine stuff will be paused over the winter months due to risk and lack of staff and bed capacity.
 
Cambsred said:
I suspect at some point in the next 6 weeks there will be a gradual increase in hospital pressures due to the normal full capacity of every year and the creeping flu and covid demand.

At this point some panicked reintroduction of measures will be brought in which is too late. We will then start the lockdown process towards December.

I hope I'm wrong, but that extra capacity that covid patients take never existed previously, and NHS staff and capacity is stretched to its limit most years.

Routine services in Plymouth were suspended briefly a few weeks back as they were full in the hospital due to the extra covid demand, at present that pressure has eased but I expect within the next 6 weeks routine stuff will be paused over the winter months due to risk and lack of staff and bed capacity.
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I thought we had nullified the threat of flu? It was virtually non existent around the world these past 12 months due to lockdown measures and masks etc.
 
JM14 said:
Think the early intervention has long gone by this stage. They made such a push for freedom day when in reality keeping less disruptive measures like masks and working from home and possibly at a push isolation rules for contacts of a confirmed case, would have more than likely kept cases low enough to manage.
It just feels inevitable that we will go from nothing into a lockdown when hospitalisation levels get too high, which like last year could have been avoided.
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Yeah, feels like that to me but a lot of the scientists seem to be saying some intervention now could head it off. I don't know, I'm not an expert.

seems crazy you wouldn't at the very least keep masks mandatory and tell people to work from home where possible.
 
Randy said:
I thought we had nullified the threat of flu? It was virtually non existent around the world these past 12 months due to lockdown measures and masks etc.
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Sometimes I'm not sure whether you are being serious or not.

Do you think the flu is now nullified?
 
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