Snake oil salesman Cummings in the sh*t

FatCat said:
personally I think he should go for what he has done, I’m just trying to find a bit of balance by asking what those with kids would have done in these circumstances? Point being the chances are many of us would probably have being the rules in these circumstances.
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His parents, who I believe had no symptoms at the time, could have come to him. Yes that would also broke the rules but as you say most people would in this circumstance. That would have avoided potentially spreading the disease from a place where at the time it was rife to a place where it was not yet fully there. He could also have got childcare for his kids if he was THAT ill.

Also, he's NOT you or I. He's the person running the country. He's responsible for setting the lockdown rules. These rules were set to save lives. The fact that the person who set them broke them shows what scant regard he has for the lives of the citizens of this country.

I'm actually more appalled by the cabinet almost to a person they have tweeted defending him today. This is unequivocal, unquestionable proof that they care more about their careers than the lives of their constituents. It's utterly, shamefully disgusting. Truly horrendous abuse of position.
 
FatCat said:
personally I think he should go for what he has done, I’m just trying to find a bit of balance by asking what those with kids would have done in these circumstances? Point being the chances are many of us would probably have being the rules in these circumstances.
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I would hope people wouldn't do anything to put other people at risk. On Sky it was reported that he had to get to Durham in case he also got the virus! So there was no need to travel for any actual reason.
 
If I were DC I would put my hand up and say I made a mistake - a judgement of error to quote someone else. That personal emotion of protecting my family clouded my decision making and my responsibilities to others beyond my wife and children.
 
SmallTown said:
His parents, who I believe had no symptoms at the time, could have come to him. Yes that would also broke the rules but as you say most people would in this circumstance. That would have avoided potentially spreading the disease from a place where at the time it was rife to a place where it was not yet fully there. He could also have got childcare for his kids if he was THAT ill.

Also, he's NOT you or I. He's the person running the country. He's responsible for setting the lockdown rules. These rules were set to save lives. The fact that the person who set them broke them shows what scant regard he has for the lives of the citizens of this country.

I'm actually more appalled by the cabinet almost to a person they have tweeted defending him today. This is unequivocal, unquestionable proof that they care more about their careers than the lives of their constituents. It's utterly, shamefully disgusting. Truly horrendous abuse of position.
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They have certainly backed their man, I saw that on Twitter.
 
'Dominic Cummings wife journalist Mary Wakefield, wrote an account of her husbands struggle with COVID. She revealed that Cummings, spent 10 days bedridden after 'collapsing' and having 'spasms' with the disease, with difficulty breathing, and that he really should have been in an hospital. She didn't reveal that even though he was obviously badly infected - they travelled 260 miles across the country to the family pile.. The hardship that people are going through not seeing their loved ones, waving to mothers through the windows of infected care homes, not being able to attend funerals .'

Under normal circumstances he goes meekly.

I suspect, this is a deflection and he's in on it to protect Boris the Flummoxed .

Don't hold your breath - he wont be going.
 
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No wonder government ministers were so surprised the public kept to social distancing rules . . . when the heart of government couldn't care less.
 
Wilf said:
'Dominic Cummings wife journalist Mary Wakefield, wrote an account of her husbands struggle with COVID. She revealed that Cummings, spent 10 days bedridden after 'collapsing' and having 'spasms' with the disease, with difficulty breathing, and that he really should have been in an hospital.
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If we run with the massive assumption that any of that is true, now we know the reason for his reluctance to go to hospital!
 
There is probably enough (deliberate?) ambiguity regarding the guidelines to allow him to wriggle out of this. Most of us have commented on a number threads that the details of the guidelines have been clunky and muddled caused by IMO the intentionally vague language used. However, what I find most unpalatable is the fact that Cummings has seized this opportunity to mitigate his actions. It would be far more exemplary to simply not do what he has done, in keeping with the ethos of lockdown, but he will probably escape losing his role purely on the back of a technicality. As I have stated before on another topic, technicalities are the final refuge of the guilty
 
FatCat said:
i agree he should go he has clearly broken the rules - but that wasn’t my question. I was wondering whether people were this emotional about it because of what he has done or because he is the man behind the PM.
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Of course its what he had done, how can anyone justify his actions regardless of who he is.
 
Posted this by accident on another thread should be on this one.

Cummings Wife Article

If you read this description of what occurred whilst Cummings and Wakefield were ill then the idea of ‘exceptional circumstances’ doesn’t rear its head, no mention of the panic of not having childcare support and the stress and worry that would bring which would have made far a more interesting article than the hagiography and fluff than the one she has written.
 
The damning part is this for me A_M:

"That evening, as I lay on the sofa, a happy thought occurred to me: if this was the virus, then my husband, who works 16-hour days as a rule, would have to come home. I let myself imagine two weeks in bed with ‘mild symptoms’, chatting to Dom and son through an open door. More fool me. My husband did rush home to look after me. He’s an extremely kind man, whatever people assume to the contrary. But 24 hours later, he said ‘I feel weird’ and collapsed. I felt breathless, sometimes achy, but Dom couldn’t get out of bed. Day in, day out for 10 days he lay doggo with a high fever and spasms that made the muscles lump and twitch in his legs. He could breathe, but only in a limited, shallow way."

We all saw Cummins hot-footing it out of Downing Street after it was announced on the 27th that Johnson had Covid-19 so we have to presume that was referred to in her account as her husband rushing home. 24 hrs later (on the 28th?) he collapsed according to her, yet as far as we know he travelled to Durham on the 30th when both he and his wife by her own admission, were displaying symptoms and he was spending 10 days laying "doggo with a high fever and spasms".

The more I think about it the angrier I get, especially as they seem to be relying on their concern for their child as being the reason for this, and yet they appear to be abusing the very existence of this child for political expediency far more than anyone who is questioning this event.
 
American_Mary said:
Posted this by accident on another thread should be on this one.

Cummings Wife Article

If you read this description of what occurred whilst Cummings and Wakefield were ill then the idea of ‘exceptional circumstances’ doesn’t rear its head, no mention of the panic of not having childcare support and the stress and worry that would bring which would have made far a more interesting article than the hagiography and fluff than the one she has written.
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On the contrary, she suggests games to play with children.
 
Cummins is an abhorrent man serving an abhorrent regime, why is anyone surprised.

Until enough people change their basic ideology of looking after number 1, nothing will change polically. Gone are the days of society and citizenry. We now live in a world of consumerism.
 
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