ThatFragranceGuy
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Prime tv was always a loss leader though as most people buy prime for free delivery rather then the tv shows so I can understand why they introduced a new tier as their spending on content has rocketed
Simon Jordan's attitute to IPTV
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TeaCider
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It's not if you've bought them from a legitimate source.
If you're watching a dodgy stream, it obviously still is.
That's why you get footballing podcasts openly advertising NordVPN and the like as a means of watching matches not available in the UK.
It's a grey area, it's also why the club often gives a full list of which countries are able to watch the match, they'll be well aware that most of those match passes sold are to people using VPNs in this country.
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Using a dodgy stick you're likely to get traced and caught
Using a VPN and streaming online you're not
atypical_boro
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You could argue the whole thing is a grey area. It can't be that easy to prosecute people viewing or they'd have done it by now. They know a good lawyer can make a case for it not being illegal.
The idea that the EFL know everyone is streaming these matches via VPNs in the UK, and attendances are not hugely impacted, is all the more reason to just make it legal, put it through a proper service and charge a palatable price (doesn't have to be anywhere near as cheap as IPTV subscriptions). As I've said above, I wouldn't even consider IPTV if I could watch all the Boro games I can't get to (including away) legally, like my mates who live abroad can.
TeaCider
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You can, just use a VPN and buy a season pass for Middlesbrough, it's £140 and you get every match that's not selected for international broadcast.
Or £10 on a match by match basis.
I suspect you'd sooner still just save money and watch the dodgy streams instead.
atypical_boro
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Why don't they just make it legal then, so i don't need to buy a VPN? I also find them a huge faff.
What you're doing is also illegal. You've just made your peace with it because the money is going to MFC.
ThatFragranceGuy
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NFL has gamepass which is a good service, think dazn now run it, annoyingly televised games often for blacked out though
But you could watch in 4k and quality was great
TeaCider
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No, what I'm doing isn't illegal.
I'd agree that it would be much easier if they just lifted the blackout, but using a VPN to bypass it isn't illegal.
atypical_boro
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Hmmm, you're heavily in breach of contract at the very least.
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FishofContemplation
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It’s not really a grey area, it’s just another area that’s not enforced. You are making an active misrepresentation to obtain a service that you could not obtain without the misrepresentation. There is absolutely no doubt this is technically an offence under Section 2 of the Fraud Act. In fact, it’s technically a more serious offence than using the dodgy stick (which on the rare occasions it is charged, is only charged as a Section 11). But you are even less likely to be prosecuted for it. Indeed, as you rightly point out, the club effectively colludes.
I don't think it should just be to watch your own club. It should be to watch a competition.
Why don't the EPL and EFL provide their own streaming services in the UK?
NFL have a game pass as does AFL in Australia. I'm sure other leagues do in various sports around the world.
People are paying roughly £50/year for IPTV. I reckon people would happily pay £5/month or even £10/month for a service where they could stream every game in the EFL or EPL. Even if they were two different subscriptions.
IPTV would still be popular though because of the PPV events. Boxing/UFC etc.
DAZN seem to be trying to go down the monthly subscription route with boxing. Turki Al-Sheikh briefly touched on this after the Usyk fight, much to Frank Warren's disgust. But he talked about making it the same price as a McDonalds for a monthly subscription from memory.
I feel other sports bodies could benefit from this as well. Could cycling have something similar?
changingman
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I think it's true overall - there will always be a disparity between what those "megastars" and the rest can/will change (which was evident prior to streaming too) but I the overall price across the board has increased - £20 becomes £35, £100 becomes £150 etc.
I think it's the case that unless an exceptional deal can be reached, all artists are paid at the same flat rate for streams, which would support this hypothesis (streaming revenue is relative to "reach" which would largely equate to album/single sales previously, so the loss is made up with relative ticket hikes) - if that makes sense? ha
RobboTheRed
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You can use a vpn on a firestick with iptv
Most of the increase in costs is the greed of venues. Thanks to the tout market they realised they can get away with charging much higher prices and people will pay it. Also those megastars charging £200+ a ticket makes people think £50 for a ticket to see x is much better value when in the past they were paying £10. Artists aren't making massive money off those gigs at the higher prices. All the money is going to the venue, ticketmaster, labels etc. There is no "we're making enough from this so we can charge less for that" it's all profit maximisation at every point.
SmoggyParmo
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At the stadium on a big screen. Open the west stand. £1 entry and you can drink beer in your seats
I'd missed this post when I posted but fully agree.
SmoggyParmo
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Buying from an unlicensed provider is illegal.
You can buy official video streaming directly from MFC if you’re outside the UK. A season video pass is around £140
I had one when I lived abroad.
Im not advocating this, but, if you used a VPN to mask your location, you could watch via the official Boro stream, but you’d be breaking the licence agreement (which prohibits UK viewing). That’s more likely to get you banned than land you in court - it’s generally a civil matter rather than criminal - but it’s still against the rules.
The point is, you can legally stream matches on a season pass by paying the club £140 a year. If youre outside the UK. I’m not sure if that covers all games or just away/non-Sky fixtures, but it gives you an idea of the market rate.
So if they ditched the blackout and you could legally pay Boro £140 a year to watch the away games, would you?
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atypical_boro
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The music industry realised that by making some changes to their revenue model, or maybe even a smidgen less money, they could completely control streaming.
Sport seems to be taking a long time for the penny to drop. If they embraced it, people would stop using IPTV and it would benefit services like Disney (which aren’t overpriced) because people would subscribe to them legitimately, if IPTV was weakened by a better sport offering with proper support. As it stands nobody sees the point in paying for stuff twice.
They will always make out like they are the victims but we all know they could end it tomorrow if they wanted to. So the battle continues.