Should we designate more red list countries?

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Most European countries are getting increasing numbers of cases. These are mostly due to the more infectious Kent strain becoming dominant, but, in France, between 10 and 20% of new cases are the South African strain. That's about 3 to 6k cases a day at the moment. Just as it looks like we're getting through the worst of this wave, should we be designating some these countries in the 'red list'?
 
MolteniArcore said:
There won't be an economy if these different variants settle in the UK.
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To be fair the Kent variant is the dominant strain here. That's the thing isn't it. The virus will always mutate. That's what they do. Hard to get nervous about a strain knowing another role can false up anywhere. However I agree with the OP. We need to be sharper with the red list. If cases start rising in a country stick it on the list immediately.
 
it might sound extreme, but every country should be on the red list in my view. Once numbers come down massively and vaccination levels match our own, then start to gradually open up travel, but until then, protect the work done here. To not do so jeopardises everything we've worked so hard for
 
Artie Fufkin said:
it might sound extreme, but every country should be on the red list in my view. Once numbers come down massively and vaccination levels match our own, then start to gradually open up travel, but until then, protect the work done here. To not do so jeopardises everything we've worked so hard for
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I agree Artie, not sure Johnson would get away with closing borders further though.

I would close our borders to all non essential travel and I would do that for the rest of the year, we can live without an ibiza holiday for a year.

Whilst things are starting to look good for the uk there is still a very real danger of a 3rd wave next year.
 
While cases rise elsewhere, no single country is safe, we have to start looking after ourselves though and expand the red list, otherwise all our efforts maybe undermined.
 
Only with a reasonable excuse. People can travel here but self quarantine (except red list countries with controlled quarantine). I guess people coming here must stay 'at home' unless they're here to work. Restrictions, in theory, begin to change on 29 March.

Not many official figures but about 10,000 people a day were arriving at Heathrow alone last month.
 
Artie Fufkin said:
it might sound extreme, but every country should be on the red list in my view. Once numbers come down massively and vaccination levels match our own, then start to gradually open up travel, but until then, protect the work done here. To not do so jeopardises everything we've worked so hard for
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Agree. Don't know how we can even consider foreign holiday travel give that infection Europe are on the rise.
 
bear66 said:
Only with a reasonable excuse. People can travel here but self quarantine (except red list countries with controlled quarantine). I guess people coming here must stay 'at home' unless they're here to work. Restrictions, in theory, begin to change on 29 March.

Not many official figures but about 10,000 people a day were arriving at Heathrow alone last month.
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I think the rules, or as you put it, reasonable excuses, are a load of b***ks too. I can travel for work, according to government rules, but my employer would not allow it, and quite rightly so.
 
Yes, for at least another month or two, once more are vaccinated then we can open up
 
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Artie Fufkin said:
it might sound extreme, but every country should be on the red list in my view. Once numbers come down massively and vaccination levels match our own, then start to gradually open up travel, but until then, protect the work done here. To not do so jeopardises everything we've worked so hard for
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Should have happened 13 months ago, as an island(s) we were better placed than most to deal with the pandemic but we let over 10 m ppl into the UK totally unchecked last feb/march then 100,000+ a month after that until 1m+ in July. Crazy
 
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Should have happened 13 months ago, as an island(s) we were better placed than most to deal with the pandemic but we let over 10 m ppl into the UK totally unchecked last feb/march then 100,000+ a month after that until 1m+ in July. Crazy
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The defence will be 'hindsight', but that doesn't hold muster with me. We had an opportunity and overlooked it, possibly even wilfully ignored it. That has been tragically costly. The important thing now is to take a lessons learned approach and not replicate the error
 
Artie Fufkin said:
The defence will be 'hindsight', but that doesn't hold muster with me. We had an opportunity and overlooked it, possibly even wilfully ignored it. That has been tragically costly. The important thing now is to take a lessons learned approach and not replicate the error
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It was reported last week that Johnsons tactic was to ignore the pandemic.
 
bear66 said:
Most European countries are getting increasing numbers of cases. These are mostly due to the more infectious Kent strain becoming dominant, but, in France, between 10 and 20% of new cases are the South African strain. That's about 3 to 6k cases a day at the moment. Just as it looks like we're getting through the worst of this wave, should we be designating some these countries in the 'red list'?
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Why?

People in safe positions in life will just clamour for lockdowns again (even though all the most vunerable will have been vaccinated).

Repeat till only the safe positioned folks are left.
 
SmallTown said:
To be fair the Kent variant is the dominant strain here. That's the thing isn't it. The virus will always mutate. That's what they do. Hard to get nervous about a strain knowing another role can false up anywhere. However I agree with the OP. We need to be sharper with the red list. If cases start rising in a country stick it on the list immediately.
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Yes, the Kent strain is the dominant one in the UK. We discovered it in November I think and it became dominant by Jan / Feb?? This is why I don't believe it when Government suggests that if we imported a new strain that circumvented the vaccines it would take months for it to become dominant - surely we'd lock down too late again and be back in the same boat?

Anyway, on a positive note we are flying with the vaccine and hopefully when we release the lockdown deaths won't skyrocket again.
 
Vaccinations either work as advertised or they don't. If they do, internally we should get back to normal about now. Internationally keep the borders closed until the rest of the world catches up.
 
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