Should massa be crowned F1 champion for 2008

Jedi boro

Jedi boro

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Lots of people on here still think Lewis was robbed ( rightly or wrongly ) by the results in 2021 season.

So how do they feel about Felipe’s quotes.

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Massa seeking further investigation over 'Crashgate' controversy

With the events of the controversial 2008 Singapore Grand Prix having a significant bearing on that year's Championship outcome, Felipe Massa is seeking to ascertain whether correct procedures were followed.
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Should this now be investigated given the FIA knew about it and kept quiet.
 
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It's shocking. But if you're going to retrospectively award the 2008 title to Massa then you're doing the same for Hamilton in 2021.

So let sleeping dogs lie is my suggestion. Massa can go after the FIA legally but the remedy should be a financial one.
 
Easterside_Red said:
It's shocking. But if you're going to retrospectively award the 2008 title to Massa then you're doing the same for Hamilton in 2021.

So let sleeping dogs lie is my suggestion. Massa can go after the FIA legally but the remedy should be a financial one.
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There’s a key difference though as unlike in 2021 the FIA have publicly admitted the race in 2008 was compromised illegally and actions were taken.

The issue now is they knew about it something that only recently came to light.

I think he has a strong case.
 
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I don't see how you can take the title away from Hamilton.

I'd guess you'd add a star in the record books to give Massa's situation some sort of recognition.

Who knows what would have happened in the final few races if the result had been overturned immediately.

The 2021 controversy was the last lap of the last race - there wasn't anything else that could be affected by retroactively changing the result.
 
Scrote said:
I don't see how you can take the title away from Hamilton.

I'd guess you'd add a star in the record books to give Massa's situation some sort of recognition.

Who knows what would have happened in the final few races if the result had been overturned immediately.

The 2021 controversy was the last lap of the last race - there wasn't anything else that could be affected by retroactively changing the result.
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True but although this race is still contested in the court of public opinion (the 2021) though the fia have never admitted any liability for its outcome.
That’s the difference.

Legally I think he could have a case.
 
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Not sure hes got a leg to stand on, he missed the points becasue they cocked up a pit stop, leaving the fuel hose attached, worst case scenario they disqualify Alonso and that would of bumped Lewis upto 2nd, and massa from 13th to 12th.
 
Jedi boro said:
True but although this race is still contested in the court of public opinion (the 2020) though the fia have never admitted any liability for its outcome.
That’s the difference.

Legally I think he could have a case.
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He could have a case but there isn't a straight line between Singapore and the title.

It would be hard to make a case for a retrospective punishment to all the other drivers (inc. Hamilton) for an incident that happened in the Singapore race.

The only real punishment available would be retrospective fines and stars (or black marks) against the records of those involved.

I'd also guess that sacking the bloke making the decision in 2021 would be seen in court as a tacit admission of liability. I'll guess we'll never find out though as it's unlikely anything will happen over it unless any other information comes to light to show wrongdoing.
 
Jedi boro said:
True but although this race is still contested in the court of public opinion (the 2020) though the fia have never admitted any liability for its outcome.
That’s the difference.

Legally I think he could have a case.
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It wasn't 2020. It was 2021.
 
Easterside_Red said:
Mercedes chose not to take the FIA to court for the good of the sport. They would have won without doubt.
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That’s your opinion. No one actually knows as it didn’t go to court.

The 2008 incident though did and it was proven to have broke the rules.

That’s the difference.
 
Jedi boro said:
That’s your opinion. No one actually knows as it didn’t go to court.

The 2008 incident though did and it was proven to have broke the rules.

That’s the difference.
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Yes but it didn’t result in him losing the race, he lost the points and dropped to 13th because he left the pit area while his fuel hose was still attached. If he hadn’t done that he’d of likely finished 2nd ahead of Hamilton which may of won him the championship but it wasn’t the last race of the season so it’s impossible to say.

Take the final race, Massa won but if Hamilton needed extra points he would have of raced far more aggressively rather than settling for the 5th place he needed.
 
Jedi boro said:
That’s your opinion. No one actually knows as it didn’t go to court.

The 2008 incident though did and it was proven to have broke the rules.

That’s the difference.
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Jesus mate just what is it you've got against Hamilton? Let's take one title away from him but not return one he rightfully won in the eyes of 99% of those interested.
 
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Yes but it didn’t result in him losing the race, he lost the points and dropped to 13th because he left the pit area while his fuel hose was still attached. If he hadn’t done that he’d of likely finished 2nd ahead of Hamilton which may of won him the championship but it wasn’t the last race of the season so it’s impossible to say.

Take the final race, Massa won but if Hamilton needed extra points he would have of raced far more aggressively rather than settling for the 5th place he needed.
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You’re missing the point he’s arguing that as that race was knowingly tarnished if not rigged then all points gained in it should now be null and void.

Legally I think he has a case as the fia have now admitted that they knew that result was flawed long before they made it public.

Be interesting how it goes.
 
Jedi boro said:
You’re missing the point he’s arguing that as that race was knowingly tarnished if not rigged then all points gained in it should now be null and void.

Legally I think he has a case as the fia have now admitted that they knew that result was flawed long before they made it public.

Be interesting how it goes.
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So you seriously think that 15 years later the FIA is going to take away Hamilton's title and give it to Massa?
 
Jedi boro said:
You’re missing the point he’s arguing that as that race was knowingly tarnished if not rigged then all points gained in it should now be null and void.

Legally I think he has a case as the fia have now admitted that they knew that result was flawed long before they made it public.

Be interesting how it goes.
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No the only place tarnished is Alonsos, who should be disqualified. Of course massa wants the whole race null and void as it would suit him and allow him and his team to conveniently brush their own mistakes under the carpet during the race.


I’d argue if they want to look at historical seasons then Schumacher crashing in to Hill in 1994 to secure the title was far more sinister.
 
Jedi boro said:
You’re missing the point he’s arguing that as that race was knowingly tarnished if not rigged then all points gained in it should now be null and void.

Legally I think he has a case as the fia have now admitted that they knew that result was flawed long before they made it public.

Be interesting how it goes.
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Yes, they are going to make null and void all of the final standings, to effectively punish every other team/driver not involved, opening up a ridiculous litigation black hole on the theory that future events would've meant Massa won the title?

No chance, compensation maybe.
 
Jedi boro said:
That’s your opinion. No one actually knows as it didn’t go to court.

The 2008 incident though did and it was proven to have broke the rules.

That’s the difference.
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It’s fairly obvious that they would have likely won. The sports rules are codified and were not followed, a “race director has final decision” doesn’t give carte Blanche to ignore codified and agreed rules.

Of course it didn’t go to a court to rule, but it’s fairly blatant. The fact the race director got booted soon after tells the story.
 
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