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Sir Patrick Vallance giving evidence to M Ps
Government was advised to impose lockdown a week before it did
No consequences there then

He was asked if there were any instances where the government had gone against scientific advice

" In general what I can absolutely clear about is that those making policy decisions have heard and understood the scientific advice "

Hmmmm I'm not very good at reading between the lines can someone give me a clue what that means?
 
Asked his views on th UK's response the corona virus pandemic not being the most admired in the world Vallance said "It's clear the outcome has not been good in the UK. I think you can be absolutely clear about that"
can't wait for Bojo to explain that
 
I‘m pleased he is categorically saying he and scientific team did their job.
Getting retaliation in first It is a good start.
When the blame game starts Cummings will seek to blame the scientists.
 
" In general what I can absolutely clear about is that those making policy decisions have heard and understood the scientific advice "

Basically saying that they presented the advice and that it was taken on board. Wether it resulted in timely policy decisions is down to the government.
The evidence provided by the muddled messaging and the odd timing of some policy decisions is enough to convince me that the "we followed the science" line should actually be "we followed the science after it turned out that the scientists did actually know better than Dominic".
 
Hancock been trying to weasel their way out of it and pretend they locked down when Sage recommended it. I guess he hoped nobody would notice.......

When exactly did the lockdown start in the UK?

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Reality Check
As we reported earlier Health Secretary Matt Hancock was challenged in the Commons by his opposite number in Labour Jonathan Ashworth over comments from the Chief Scientific Adviser Patrick Vallance.
Sir Patrick had said that the government’s advisory group Sage had recommended in the middle of March (he thought this was either 18 March or 16 March) that the “remainder” of measures to fight coronavirus should be introduced "as soon as possible".
So when exactly did the lockdown start in the UK?
Mr Hancock said: “The 16 March is the day when I came to this house and said that all unnecessary social contact should cease - that is precisely when the lockdown was started.”
The beginning of lockdown has usually been dated to the evening of 23 March when Boris Johnson addressed the nation and people were told to avoid leaving home and all non-essential shops were closed.
In fact, Mr Hancock has previously said that is when lockdown began.
In a debate in the Commons on 2 June, he noted that daily death figures were “lower than at any time since lockdown began on 23 March”.
 
swordtrombonefish said:
Hancock = Liar
Johnson = Liar
Gove = Liar (and slimy little shïte)

Pattern emerging?
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Yes. Politicians are liars and very few of them have any sort of qualification, background or experience in the roles they are doing. Electing people is the worst way to employ someone to do a job because you end up with the best bullshitters and their job is to be reelected so they do what they think people want rather than what is best.
 
Isn't it childish and pathetic when someone claims that they've added someone that has disagreed with them to their ignore list so they don't have to see their posts and yet still responds to the messages that they can't see? It's almost like they made that claim to look big and clever when it was clearly just a lie.

No need to answer. It's rhetorical.
 
well at least you have proven you have poor memory. I told you two days ago that the site is FUBAR'd, I have to persistently log out and log back in before I can post. When I log out, I get the delights of seeing your utter drivel. When the site works properly, believe me, I'll be delighted not to see your partisan, blues can do no wrong, intellectually bereft, divert and deflect nonsense.

Feel free to copy this post, change a couple of words and throw it back like a 9 year olds debating technique, shouting you're stupid...no you're stupid....no you're stupid.
 
BoroMart said:
blues can do no wrong
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I'm a Labour voter actually.

Your problem is clearly the opposite, like most people on the internet you have picked a side and are permanently on the attack, i.e. blues can do no right.

You are only concerned with telling a room full of people that already agree with you how bad the nasty bad guys are. There is no objectivity, ever.

We've also identified that you can't even back up your own words with actions because despite claiming to be a socialist you claim most of your salary as dividends instead of income in order to dodge paying a fair amount of tax. The sort of do as I say not as I do attitude that Dominic Cummings would be proud of. Hypocrite.

Also, there is nothing wrong with this site.
 
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I was in work on 20th March, funny that because I'm pretty sure that the 20th is after the 16th.

I was also in work on March 23rd, until I got a text message from the government telling me to go home and shield for 12 weeks.

Again pretty sure 23rd is after the 16th...🤔

Hancock trying to rewrite history, the man needs resign.
 
boromike85 said:
I'm a Labour voter actually.

Your problem is clearly the opposite, like most people on the intent you have picked a side and are permanently on the attack, i.e. blues can do no right.

You are only concerned with telling a room full of people that already agree with you how bad the nasty bad guys are. There is no objectivity, ever.

We've also identified that you can't even back up your own words with actions because despite claiming to be a socialist you claim most of your salary as dividends instead of income in order to dodge paying a fair amount of tax. The sort of do as I say not as I do attitude that Dominic Cummings would be proud of. Hypocrite.

Also, there is nothing wrong with this site.
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You applied no objectivity in your generalisation that politicians are liars.
 
Chris_Boro said:
You applied no objectivity in your generalisation that politicians are liars.
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I did actually. I agree with you, they are incompetent liars but at the moment they are the incompetent liars in charge and so are the target. Swap them with any other politician to do that job and half the country would be making a similar list of their incompetence and that they are liars. People seem to think politicians lying is a new thing. It isn't. As long as there have been politicians there have been lying politicians. They can and do say whatever they want. They are only interested in what we think when it is re-election time and even then they will still say whatever they want in order to get into power.

There are a handful of good politicians that are in it for the right reasons but there are very few I would trust and very few that have the necessary credentials to be a minister. It's madness that the top jobs are chosen by the method we use. Matt Hancock has no background in Healthcare whatsoever, no knowledge of how the system works and yet is in charge of the whole thing because he'll do what Johnson wants him to do. It's a crazy system.
 
Chris_Boro said:
I was in work on 20th March, funny that because I'm pretty sure that the 20th is after the 16th.

I was also in work on March 23rd, until I got a text message from the government telling me to go home and shield for 12 weeks.

Again pretty sure 23rd is after the 16th...🤔

Hancock trying to rewrite history, the man needs resign.
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The man needs locking up nevermind resignation.
Responsible for the genocide of 20,000 care home occupants.
 
boromike85 said:
Yes. Politicians are liars and very few of them have any sort of qualification, background or experience in the roles they are doing. Electing people is the worst way to employ someone to do a job because you end up with the best bullshitters and their job is to be reelected so they do what they think people want rather than what is best.
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I have to admit Mike the way you worded it comes across exactly how BoroMart said it does.
 
I agree most ,not all, politicians lie, but the difference here is the untold thousands of needless,unavoidable deaths this corrupt government have plainly caused...
Telling lies about not recieving brown envelopes is one thing but then this disaster they are trying to cover up due to incompetence and negligence takes lying to a different,shamefull level all together...
 
boromike85 said:
I did actually. I agree with you, they are incompetent liars but at the moment they are the incompetent liars in charge and so are the target. Swap them with any other politician to do that job and half the country would be making a similar list of their incompetence and that they are liars. People seem to think politicians lying is a new thing. It isn't. As long as there have been politicians there have been lying politicians. They can and do say whatever they want. They are only interested in what we think when it is re-election time and even then they will still say whatever they want in order to get into power.

There are a handful of good politicians that are in it for the right reasons but there are very few I would trust and very few that have the necessary credentials to be a minister. It's madness that the top jobs are chosen by the method we use. Matt Hancock has no background in Healthcare whatsoever, no knowledge of how the system works and yet is in charge of the whole thing because he'll do what Johnson wants him to do. It's a crazy system.
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Fair enough, thats you're opinion of politicians. However holding this government to account over its handling of the crisis does not require a comparison of other politicians or hypothetical "but what would they have done different" arguments.

Being objective removes personal bias and replaces it with facts, which when applied to this government and its actions, shows them for the incompetent liars that they are and they must be held to full public scrutiny.

This scrutiny is removed when objectivity is not applied by using the "but all politicians are the same" blind argument.
 
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