SAS Rogue Heroes

Pretty much every war film/TV series ever made will use a "narrative device" to advance the story telling. The Battle of Britain film shows a love story between the squadron leader and a WAAF in fact all the portrayed pilots are fictional. Zulu portrays all the British soldiers as Welsh, this was not so. I could go on but the point is that the inclusion of a narrative device (in this case it is a "framing story") helps to bring the individual events into a coherent narrative. Without this device it might be that the story would simply appear to be collection of incidents. That would be fine for a documentary, this is not a documentary and shouldn't be judged as such.

I confess I haven't watched all of it yet and there are some bits that stand out as rather improbable, what I have found though is that most of those seemingly incredible events are actually true!
That’s about an event though so you’d expect that.

As that’s the difference this involves named individuals set in a real Historic period the missions are real the enemy was real so why make up a French love spy interest that simply is completely made up especially as she id key to the “whole plot”.
 
That’s about an event though so you’d expect that.

As that’s the difference this involves named individuals set in a real Historic period the missions are real the enemy was real so why make up a French love spy interest that simply is completely made up especially as she id key to the “whole plot”.
I've just told you why it was done.
 
I've just told you why it was done.
But that’s not true though as other books have shown there is already a story there the real one so no need to to embellish it like this with fake story lines that slew the whole thing.
 
Books.

Television Series.

Do you need me to list the differences?

I've told you why it was done. I get that you didn't like it and if you can't unsee it or tune it out, don't watch. It's not the first time that books have been changed to make them fit a visual media (film/TV) and it won't be the last. As I said it's not a documentary watch one of those instead?
 
Books.

Television Series.

Do you need me to list the differences?

I've told you why it was done. I get that you didn't like it and if you can't unsee it or tune it out, don't watch. It's not the first time that books have been changed to make them fit a visual media (film/TV) and it won't be the last. As I said it's not a documentary watch one of those instead?
My issue is that this is the narrative that is being promoted and so it will be seen by some as the reality.

Mixing fiction with so much truth is never good in my eyes.

Esp when they use the tag line

“those events depicted, which seem most unbelievable… are mostly true.”

It’s a u571 scenario
 
Thanks I’ll check it out.

Pegasus bridge was a key operation as basically without that d day was all but over. As it was the cork in the bottle wasn’t it.
Very very brave men from the Ox and bucks light infantry, I did a 60 minute presentation on it when I was in the army and went over to see it, I thoroughly recommend doing a Normandy tour. Pointe du hoc is also very surreal to see from the blast craters to the cliff face that the us rangers scaled.
 
It’s a u571 scenario
No, it's not. U571 completely changed the story. From the truth that the Enigma machine was captured by British Forces to it being captured by US forces. Nothing to do with a "narrative device" it was a financial device to make the movie financially viable it was decided that telling the story from a British point of view would not put bums on seats in US cinemas. This is a completely different rationale as they say in the tagline...
“those events depicted, which seem most unbelievable… are mostly true.”
U571 was complete bo11ocks.
 
Most of it is absolutely true. Check if you like. Some of the first part is complete fantasy but as far as I know most of the raids and actions are based very closely on what they did. Of course they didn't ride around to the sound track of AC/DC "Highway To Hell" though as I read somewhere, if you think about it HTH was released closer to WW2 than we are now(1980)!
Most of it is completely made up, as entertaining as it is
 
There is a very good podcast (6 episodes) that covers what's factual and what's not. Alot of it is factual, some has artistic licence and some completely fictional for the sake of the programme. The book is a very good.

Paddy maine wasn't portrayed accuratly (even though I thought O'Connell was supurb). As said, the French spy was completly fabricated but that was to condense the story.

The main thing for me is the series may wet the appetite of people to research actual events and that can only be a positive.
 
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My issue is that this is the narrative that is being promoted and so it will be seen by some as the reality.

Mixing fiction with so much truth is never good in my eyes.

Esp when they use the tag line

“those events depicted, which seem most unbelievable… are mostly true.”

It’s a u571 scenario
Same as Spies among Friends, the Durham lass didn't exist. Which is a pity because she played a good part.
 
Same as Spies among Friends, the Durham lass didn't exist. Which is a pity because she played a good part.
Ah right I’ve just started watching that.

I’m guessing though she’s there to represent MI5 though she’s an Everyman character as you do often get.

But in rogue heroes she’s not an Everyman character she’s a major love interest on what the plot revolves around it’s just an odd thing to insert into the story.
 
Ah right I’ve just started watching that.

I’m guessing though she’s there to represent MI5 though she’s an Everyman character as you do often get.

But in rogue heroes she’s not an Everyman character she’s a major love interest on what the plot revolves around it’s just an odd thing to insert into the story.
Sorry about the spoiler.
 
I am not a lover of Jeremy Clarkson but this is a good watch and if I remember rightly, his father in law (or some close relative) took part in it.

Again, I have visited St Nazaire and walked around the dry dock and it brings into perspective the task these men undertook. Opposite the dry dock are the U-Boat pens of St Nazaire that at the time will have been heavily fortified.

Anyway, give it a watch.

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Thanks so much for sharing this mate. Excellent that
 
He shows this

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It’s the lump metal taken from a Russian cannon captured at Sevastopol during the Crimean war and it’s from this lump that every VC is made.
 
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Their story does need telling but not in this way as most of it is just completely made up.

Read the real stories they deserve better than peaky blinders in the desert

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I've just received Hamish Ross book on Paddy Mayne through the post from my youngest son and a piece on the back (see photo 2) intrigued me immediately and I am sure it will you. It seems this guy is willing to challenge the myth of Paddy Mayne and does so with the support of his family and the SAS Regiment.
 

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Thanks mate I’ll check that out.

It’s clear he was an extraordinary man and a great leader in Stirling’s absence to take his vision and move it into to the unrivalled fighting force it became.
 
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