Rumour on One Boro re Warnock and if we lost today

atomicloonybin aka ALB said:
There is, in my opinion, no way that Warnock goes before the end of the season unless we are in extreme jeopardy; and with Reading likely to get a points deduction, that would likely mean there might be only one relegation place that is contested. Gibson would be the bloke who shot Bambi's mother; the guy who sacked the ready-to-retire venerable manager. Unless of course Warnock does a Strachan and puts his hands up and says he can't do it with this bunch of players. God, the most depressing thing is how much we just drift, and drift. There seems no purpose to the club anymore. We pootle along, endless reboots and rebuilds every season, changes of emphasis here and there, different managerial appointments, terrible "next big thing" signings that are shown up by our academy products. I mean, Monk (!!) outcoached Warnock yesterday when he said the blueprint was there in the first minute disallowed goal about what was going to work - and we didn't do it for the rest of the game.

You know who it will be if he goes though - John Terry.
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Think I'd just follow my local non league team if that happened. The priciples of the club in appointing such an odious cretin would be so far removed from mine that I'd probably give it up.
 
jimmyjazz said:
Other than Payero, how much did we spend? Not much I don't think...

The issue isn't the money spent anyway. The issue , for me, is the team has no shape, movement, and seemingly, no fight in them. I like Warnock, but there just doesn't seem like there's any clues that its going to work at them moment. So, seeing as though he's off at the end of the season why wait?
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We spent more than any other side in the division, bar Fulham.
 
I’ve been a loyal supporter of NW and I still hope he turns it around, but yesterday we were outplayed in every department and didn’t have an actual shot on target. Something is very wrong - that team on paper should not be rolled over by teams like Reading. I just hope that one way or the other, this situation doesn’t just rumble on. If we are going to make changes, do it sooner rather than later
 
Eddie Howe would be my choice if he would come up north. Having said that I want to win on Tuesday and then have a great season thereafter but sadly it doesn’t feel likely at the moment.
 
Thinking about how gibbo works. I dont think he will put pressure on warnock. More likely have him in for nice chat and give him blind support unti we are in botto. Half a bit longer and then its too late for any play off push.
 
It was not good enough yesterday, but posters can go a bit over the top when unhappy.

Example

"No fight" - 2 players sent off in recent games!

I agree we are losing the midfield battles - hence I pleaded for Morsey to be kept who was a proven Ronseal player.

To me it was a very risky decision for me to buy in a young inexperienced Argentinian player for the say Championship proven Saville. It may take Payero a year to fully adjust.

I believe no money has been spent this summer in net terms - most of the initial fees paid for Payero, Ikpenzu and Crooks were recovered from Morsey and Saville sales. The rest we have bought in are loans and frees covered by salary savings from the departures of Assombalonga, Fletcher, Johnson, Bolasie, Archer, Bettinelli, Spence, Coulson, Kebano. With the wage bill lowered by around £5m.

One thing which stands out for me this season by late September - is the unsettled nature of the first 11. I can only remember 3 players playing every league game - Fry, Crooks and Lumley which must be a record.

My gut feeling is that some tweaks can be made to improve and hopefully some players can improve, more work can be done on movement and shape yes. Some new players can settle in too. but there is not quite the same quality there of previous years. We certainly should be able to hold our own in the division if we play to our maximum.
 
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Redwurzel said:
It was not good enough yesterday, but posters can go a bit over the top when unhappy.

Example

"No fight" - 2 players sent off in recent games!

I agree we are losing the midfield battles - hence I pleaded for Morsey to be kept who was a proven Ronseal player.

To me it was a very risky decision for me to buy in a young inexperienced Argentinian player for the say Championship proven Saville. It may take Payero a year to fully adjust.

I believe no money has been spent this summer in net terms - most of the initial fees paid for Payero, Ikpenzu and Crooks were recovered from Morsey and Saville sales. The rest we have bought in are loans and frees covered by salary savings from the departures of Assombalonga, Fletcher, Johnson, Bolasie, Archer, Bettinelli, Spence, Coulson, Kebano. With the wage bill lowered by around £5m.

One thing which stands out for me this season by late September - is the unsettled nature of the first 11. I can only remember 3 players playing every league game - Fry, Crooks and Lumley which must be a record.

My gut feeling is that some tweaks can be made to improve and hopefully some players can improve, more work can be done on movement and shape yes. Some new players can settle in too. but there is not quite the same quality there of previous years. We certainly should be able to hold our own in the division if we play to our maximum.
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Howson has played every game and I’m sure Tavernier, McNair, Dijksteel and Bola would’ve started every game had they all been fit.
 
If we lose the next two games you’d have to think his position would be untenable. Would be our worst start to a (championship) league in many a season would it not? Can’t think there’d be many fans still supporting him then.
 
TeaCider said:
We spent more than any other side in the division, bar Fulham.
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Other than Payero we spent funk all, and we we needed a substantial amount of players. Using money spent, against Warnock right now just doesn't fit. It's the football that is the issue. Not the money he spent.
 
TheYorkshireTerrier said:
If we lose the next two games you’d have to think his position would be untenable. Would be our worst start to a (championship) league in many a season would it not? Can’t think there’d be many fans still supporting him then.
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Unless I'm mistaken, it would be our worst ever start to a 2nd division season and that's including seasons we were relegated in.

I am confident we'll beat Hull though, so it shouldn't come to that.
 
jimmyjazz said:
Other than Payero we spent funk all, and we we needed a substantial amount of players. Using money spent, against Warnock right now just doesn't fit. It's the football that is the issue. Not the money he spent.
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Lea-Siliki is apparently a mandatory purchase at £2.15m.

Ikpeazu was a fee potentially rising to around £800,000.

Matt Crooks was £1.1m.

With Payero too, that's £10m spent in the window.

Plus Sporar is a potentially mandatory purchase of £7m+ but it's not looking likely right now.
Most clubs in the Championship spent less than £1m.

He has been well backed in the middle of a global pandemic when the club has had little income.
 
TeaCider said:
Lea-Siliki is apparently a mandatory purchase at £2.15m.

Ikpeazu was a fee potentially rising to around £800,000.

Matt Crooks was £1.1m.

With Payero too, that's £10m spent in the window.

Plus Sporar is a potentially mandatory purchase of £7m+ but it's not looking likely right now.
Most clubs in the Championship spent less than £1m.

He has been well backed in the middle of a global pandemic when the club has had little income.
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Thats £10 million spent in the window!? You are totally stretching the truth to suit your argument. Stick to the facts. We have not spent £10 million. End of.

But once again, the money is not the issue, it's the football.
 
jimmyjazz said:
Thats £10 million spent in the window!? You are totally stretching the truth to suit your argument. Stick to the facts. We have not spent £10 million. End of.

But once again, the money is not the issue, it's the football.
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How am I stretching the truth?

If you add up their reported transfer fees, we have spent up to £10m.
Those are the facts.

Obviously I am aware we haven't spent £10m in one big lump, it will be in installments over years.

I also never said money was the issue, it's clearly the performances on the pitch, but you're the one who wrongly said we'd barely spent anything and I've corrected you on that.
It might be less than our parachute payment and promotion seasons, but compared to the rest of the division we have invested heavily, especially considering the finances of the Championship right now.
 
Even a rough estimate of money spent on our incoming transfers tells you the club has backed NW heavily in the summer. I think only Fulham spent more, with most clubs not spending anything.

At the moment that all adds up to a hit of a dogs dinner on the pitch though.
 
TeaCider said:
Unless I'm mistaken, it would be our worst ever start to a 2nd division season and that's including seasons we were relegated in.

I am confident we'll beat Hull though, so it shouldn't come to that.
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That’s quite a stat… I’m glad you’re confident because I’m not! I can see us getting battered on Tuesday and confident will be at an all time low.
 
TheYorkshireTerrier said:
That’s quite a stat… I’m glad you’re confident because I’m not! I can see us getting battered on Tuesday and confident will be at an all time low.
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It's a depressing one, though I only checked the seasons where we finished in the bottom half from before the 1980s, so I suppose there may be a worse start disguised by a good finish.

For all our problems, Hull's are worse and I can't imagine their confidence will be much better.
Though they might well beat Blackpool and have a spring in their step.
Nearly a third of the people attending the match will be our away fans, judging from Hull's attendances so far this season, so there should be a good atmosphere for our players.
 
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