Rolf Harris Dead Aged 93

Just watched part one of the ITVx doc.

It’s interesting, as someone who was a kid in the 90s, I never really liked Rolf Harris, just came across weird to me, and always thought Saville was creepy as well. Yet people actually adored these two back in the 70s/80s, will never understand how.

Even just looking at the archive footage now, they both look strange. Obviously hindsight plays a part, but when they’re stood next to other presenters/celebs they stand out like a sore thumb.

I wonder who the next one to be identified will be.
 
Rolf Harris, Jimmy Saville, Gary Glitter: all cultural works deleted, never allowed to be heard/seen again.

Roman Polanski, Bill Wyman, Woody Allen: geniuses still celebrated.
Jimmy Page, David Bowie etc..... OK, so no one pressed charges but we all know it happened.

TBF Michael Jackson hasn't even been cancelled. Chris Rock does a good bit about how his songs are better than R Kelly's so basically its ok.

Thats why Rolf, Jimmy Saville and Glitter have been cancelled, because we can quite easily live without their artistic creations. But I agree, there's something very wrong about how some folk seem to get away with it.
 
Jimmy Page, David Bowie etc..... OK, so no one pressed charges but we all know it happened.

TBF Michael Jackson hasn't even been cancelled. Chris Rock does a good bit about how his songs are better than R Kelly's so basically its ok.

Thats why Rolf, Jimmy Saville and Glitter have been cancelled, because we can quite easily live without their artistic creations. But I agree, there's something very wrong about how some folk seem to get away with it.
Hit the nail on the head there. For many, it is possible to separate the art from the artist but in the case of those mentioned above, there's nothing left if you do that.
 
My stepfather, a really good bloke, came from the Leeds/Wakefield area, and played in bands around there when Savile was putting on dances and and things. He was a good piano player, good enough to earn a living from it. Only ever heard him swear once, before Savile was exposed he walked into the room and JS was on tv, he lost it and said. “If you ever come across that man have nothing to do with him he’s an evil fckin monster”
Someone told me about Savile and Stoke Mandeville, again before it all came out.He wouldn’t tell me who told him. But he had an interesting take on why he got away with it for so long. Apparently Savile’s brother was another fckin monster.

 
Thats why Rolf, Jimmy Saville and Glitter have been cancelled, because we can quite easily live without their artistic creations. But I agree, there's something very wrong about how some folk seem to get away with it.
‘Cancelled’ - crazy how this word has just crept in. Cancel culture gone mad.

Pretty sure people used to just get fired and not be able to get more work because of their criminal actions. All part of the Orwellian newspeak that we seem to have hoovered up.

Bad is Good, Lies are Truth.. etc etc
 
‘Cancelled’ - crazy how this word has just crept in. Cancel culture gone mad.

Pretty sure people used to just get fired and not be able to get more work because of their criminal actions. All part of the Orwellian newspeak that we seem to have hoovered up.

Bad is Good, Lies are Truth.. etc etc
I used it for want of a better term, but I think “cancelled” is a particularly modern take on the idea of losing your job (or legacy) for something that may have been previously acceptable.
 
‘Cancelled’ - crazy how this word has just crept in. Cancel culture gone mad.

Pretty sure people used to just get fired and not be able to get more work because of their criminal actions. All part of the Orwellian newspeak that we seem to have hoovered up.

Bad is Good, Lies are Truth.. etc etc
They were cancelled because they were serial sex offenders. Comparing bowie to a monster like saville is beyond preposterous
 
I used it for want of a better term, but I think “cancelled” is a particularly modern take on the idea of losing your job (or legacy) for something that may have been previously acceptable.
Yeah, I get that. It’s just weird how it’s crept in and how being ‘cancelled’ is how we describe something that existed before.. but somehow not everyone agrees with it anymore.

It”s like you can’t offend anyone now or be really bad at your job.. cancel culture gone mad!

off the top of my head I would say Monty Python and Life of Brian experienced the same.. I guess Elvus and his wiggling hips, the Beatles and their bigger than Jesus thing.. not to mention countless black artists, athletes.. everyday normal folks.

Cancel Culture gone mad! Frankie Boyle, Ricky Gervais, South Park.. all go much further than was previously accepted. Chubby Brown was not allowed on TV what what in many cases is now the norm!
 
I know you didnt but the poster banging on about cancel culture did
“Dana Gillespie claimed that she had sex with Bowie when she was 14 and he was 17, after meeting him when he performed at the Marquee in Soho in 1964”

“In addition to Dana, Lori Maddox – known as Lori Mattix – claims that she lost her virginity to Bowie when she was 15 and he was 25 (1972)”
 
They were cancelled because they were serial sex offenders. Comparing bowie to a monster like saville is beyond preposterous
Didn’t compare him to Saville. But newy (or was it someone else) mentioned Bill Wyman who we know had sex with underage girls (or children as they are otherwise known). Lots of evidence to suggest Bowie did too. I notice you didn’t refute it about Jimmy Page, presume you’re not as big a fan of Led Zep, but this is exactly how “cancel culture” seems to work. People are more likely to protect the legacies of artists they like, hence why Michael Jackson is still played on the radio daily, since he is probably the most famous musician of the 20th century. Some are untouchable, and it seems to correlate to the quality and popularly of their art.

I was comparing Bowie to Wyman, which is a totally fair comparison.
 
‘Cancelled’ - crazy how this word has just crept in. Cancel culture gone mad.

Pretty sure people used to just get fired and not be able to get more work because of their criminal actions. All part of the Orwellian newspeak that we seem to have hoovered up.

Bad is Good, Lies are Truth.. etc etc
My better half worked at Stoke Mandaville before we came over here, was there for 4 years.

It was always suspected but never proved and given his power you just could not say anything then (mid noughties).

She encountered him a few times in lifts and along a very long walk (about a mile) from the ward where she worked to the operating theatres.

Something of the night about him.
 
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