Riley McGree
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TeaCider
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Got to be joking if you think McGree has had an easy ride.
He gets absolutely hounded by our fans and hit with constant conspiracy theories about his injuries.
Never seen one of our players get so much grief over something largely outside of his control.
Boro_Interlinked
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Gone are the days when we will get 3000 mins (22/23) in championships games out of Riley, sadly Its typical Boro that we get a good player and and cruel fate has taken it away. The only other player I can think of like this is that Dike fwd for West Brom.
Anyway last season it looked like he was back up to scratch , but looking at it , he got 2 starts, then 2 subs then 4 starts and 2 subs again before it went just tiny subs mins for a few weeks then out of action. He needs this first half season properly managed , like no more than 4 consecutive starts, then actually rest him for 4 games , with only light training. The Borg and Silvera will and can cover the other games.. Don't let him go to intl games, period, let him really rest those fortnights ( 3 of them ) See where we are at xmas. If he survives then go for 6 consecutive starts , build it up . This plantar thing is an accumulation of stress over weeks its not a one time thing where you pull something.
Anyway last season it looked like he was back up to scratch , but looking at it , he got 2 starts, then 2 subs then 4 starts and 2 subs again before it went just tiny subs mins for a few weeks then out of action. He needs this first half season properly managed , like no more than 4 consecutive starts, then actually rest him for 4 games , with only light training. The Borg and Silvera will and can cover the other games.. Don't let him go to intl games, period, let him really rest those fortnights ( 3 of them ) See where we are at xmas. If he survives then go for 6 consecutive starts , build it up . This plantar thing is an accumulation of stress over weeks its not a one time thing where you pull something.
MichaelDebeve
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If 1 million is the price I would rather keep him for the 15 games we might get out of him (worst case scenario!)
Definitely in the top bracket of players in our current squad - but you cant ignore his injury record unfortunately.
I would keep him for his bicep flex's alone going off the Portugal video diary yesterday, ooo baby
Zoophonic
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This is one where I’d trust the medical team to assess whether he is worth keeping. If they think a £1m is worth getting rid then I would. We can’t afford to carry him despite his obvious talent. Sadly he is a liability at the moment because he just does not play enough games.
lostinyorkshire
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agree
I think HH will be gone so it will be an astute bit of business to improve there, defensively we need better than we have
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festa5
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Its funny how we had very few injuries under Wilder, then very few for most of Carrick's first season, but been riddled with them ever since.
Could just be a coincidence of course. But it could also suggest Wilder (or his team) were doing something that was helping reduce the number of injuries either in pre-season, during the season or both and that Carrick benefitted from that the first 6 months.
I think Wilder commented on sorting out the fitness or number of injuries when he joined didn't he? Or am I making that up?
Small thing maybe, but although he expected his strikers to run themselves into the ground, he also nearly always changed them after about 70 mins. Of course sometimes its an accumulation of little things like that can make a big difference.
Don't know what his record with injuries has been like elsewhere mind.
Caesium137
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We changed the training pitches post Warnock didn't we to reduce injuries?
The there was a root & branch investigation about the injuries in Carricks first closed season and the head physio left shortly afterwards?
Bruce
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Edwards was talking about training and injuries. He said that you want to train harder than you play so that you can cope with a match. I found that surprising and I do remember when he got sacked from Watford fans were talking about him over-working players. He also talks about neither under- nor over-cooking players.
I suppose we'll see if after 12 games our injury numbers remain the same.
I suppose we'll see if after 12 games our injury numbers remain the same.
festa5
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I thought the training pitches were changed last summer? Could be both I suppose!
And yeah there was talk about looking into everything but then we never really heard much more about it I don't think?
I'm no expert, but I'd have thought prevention would be more to do with the sports scientists and maybe the conditioning guys than the physios. Although maybe the club were also unhappy with how long players were out for, diagnosis etc.
Obviously there's a lot of factors.
Sounds like Edwards takes that side seriously anyway. Which is something. No idea what Carrick thought, he never gave anything away.
Caesium137
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Wan't that John Thrower, didn't he leave and end up coming back? Not sure if he is still on the staff.
Chris Mosely left start of March last year it seems.
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On The Bob
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A lot of clubs have had major injury issues in the last few seasons - look at City last season. I do think the general physical exertions and intensity of game will likely play a factor.
We were lumbered with a number of very serious long term injuries too - Tommy Smith was a freak one. Lenihan had rumbled on and there’s been others.
If McGree could stay fit, he’s one of the first names on a team sheet for me. His vision, ball retention and eye for goal is everything you want in a midfielder.
However, his appearance record throughout his career isn’t brilliant and the data across a number of seasons tends to tell a story. I think we’ll be lucky to get 25-30 games out of him but would love for that to be proven wrong. I have my doubts though, sadly.
We were lumbered with a number of very serious long term injuries too - Tommy Smith was a freak one. Lenihan had rumbled on and there’s been others.
If McGree could stay fit, he’s one of the first names on a team sheet for me. His vision, ball retention and eye for goal is everything you want in a midfielder.
However, his appearance record throughout his career isn’t brilliant and the data across a number of seasons tends to tell a story. I think we’ll be lucky to get 25-30 games out of him but would love for that to be proven wrong. I have my doubts though, sadly.
MidlandsBoroFan
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Don’t disagree, but 4 consecutive starts might be a stretch. Maybe starting alternating games for the first few months, give him recovery time?
All Boro fans would 100% agree with this, but sadly the club has absolutely no control over this.
wilkos_perm
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A good player, from a playing perspective if he departed it would be yet another reduction in quality.
He's gone though a bad spell with injuries, but i don't think there'll be any desire to write him off. Those games where we through away leads and failed to keep posession at key times i suspect we'd have done better with him available to put his foot on the ball.
Hopefully he can put his injuries behind him.
It's unclear at this point how Edwards will play. Maybe he could be on the left of a midfield 3. Or one of those behind the strikers but Edwards may prefer runners in those positions (and there's Azaz to fit in if he's still here).
He's gone though a bad spell with injuries, but i don't think there'll be any desire to write him off. Those games where we through away leads and failed to keep posession at key times i suspect we'd have done better with him available to put his foot on the ball.
Hopefully he can put his injuries behind him.
It's unclear at this point how Edwards will play. Maybe he could be on the left of a midfield 3. Or one of those behind the strikers but Edwards may prefer runners in those positions (and there's Azaz to fit in if he's still here).
Andy_W
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That might make sense pre season, when there's little on the line (i.e no matches which = points), but for during the season it kind of goes against modern sports science, from what I understand.
They should probably be doing a load of longer duration zone 2 during the week (low intensity), with the odd bit of very high intensity (zone 4-5), otherwise fatigue/ injury will destroy them.
You're never going to get players training harder than they play either (if they are playing/ on the team sheet), assuming they actually want to do well in their career.
He might have been a bit misunderstood, as this is all pretty well known now and they will be measuring the players work load/ fatigue/ recovery etc.
Maybe he's more on about building up the mental strength?
Bruce
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I had a check to see what the actual quote was. https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-rob-edwards-hoping-solve-31953927
What he is quoted as saying is.
He also says
They certainly look to be pushing them hard in Portugal. I suppose there is a difference between risk of impact injuries versus strains from over-exertion so maybe that's what the issue is.
Andy_W
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It just all sounds like a bit of nothing to be honest, no different to how any other club would train, but if he's wanting to recreate matches they would train 11 v 11, and no club really does that do they? 11 a side is obviously, more jogging and long sprints, where as half pitch more running and shorter sprints.
It'll probably be something like a hard training session early in the week (maybe a Tuesday), leaving a few days before the game, to clear out the fatigue. They won't be working their nuts off on a Thursday/ Friday before a Saturday game though, not a chance.
Interesting, he said the words sweet spot (I wonder if that was specific), as in cycling that's basically just training at low intensity but with bursts just below your max sustainable/ threshold (what you can do continuously for an hour), it's hard but not crazy hard. I think other sports do this too etc, it's pretty much the optimum apparently.
indeedido
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McGree is clearly a talented player.
I think he is a much better footballer than Azaz and a much better option as a left sided forward player.
Sadly his consistent fitness is also clearly a massive issue.
I wouldn't sell him for a million, or even two just now, but until he proves his fitness he won't command much more than a couple of million.
Burgzorg getting lots of starts to cover for him worries me to death, he is terrible. Silvera merely being back in the squad is depressing. Hamilton being touted as possible cover is also madness.
After Hackney, McGree is our best player.
HH is sadly likely to leave and McGree will not play enough matches.
I honestly can't believe people are pointing at Darragh Lenihan returning and claiming it's like a great new signing. He hasn't played for nearly two years and was no good when he had played.
Bangura has played a handful of matches for us and been out for a massive amount of time.
Repeatedly injured players can't be relied on.
Look at the club website and the squad info.
The squad really is thin and lightweight.
We kick off in 31 days. Or do we not count the first 4 fixtures til the window closes?
I think he is a much better footballer than Azaz and a much better option as a left sided forward player.
Sadly his consistent fitness is also clearly a massive issue.
I wouldn't sell him for a million, or even two just now, but until he proves his fitness he won't command much more than a couple of million.
Burgzorg getting lots of starts to cover for him worries me to death, he is terrible. Silvera merely being back in the squad is depressing. Hamilton being touted as possible cover is also madness.
After Hackney, McGree is our best player.
HH is sadly likely to leave and McGree will not play enough matches.
I honestly can't believe people are pointing at Darragh Lenihan returning and claiming it's like a great new signing. He hasn't played for nearly two years and was no good when he had played.
Bangura has played a handful of matches for us and been out for a massive amount of time.
Repeatedly injured players can't be relied on.
Look at the club website and the squad info.
The squad really is thin and lightweight.
We kick off in 31 days. Or do we not count the first 4 fixtures til the window closes?