Republican House of Foreign Affairs Hypothesis on the Origin of Covid

red_harrington said:
This is the same regime that murdered and crushed its own citizens with tanks in Tianamen Square.
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And I'm comparing it to the regime that turns a blind eye to the lynching of it's own citizens through state-sponsored police brutality - where the 'police' are barely distinguisable from the military.

Pretending one super-power is worse than another is what got us into this mess* in the first place...

*the Napoleonic Wars have a lot to answer for
 
red_harrington said:
This is the same regime that murdered and crushed its own citizens with tanks in Tianamen Square.
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whereas american republicanism just blatently murderous citizens in other countries, and starves, deprives, and denies medical support to its own poor citizens.

Neither China or America (particularly under republicanism) have a very good human rights or historically ethical record
 
It is difficult to not agree with comments on the regimes involved. Neither of them cover them selves in virtue by their actions..

The live animals market which was initially suspected seems not to have been involved. There have been instances in the past of transfer from animals to humans and it was probably a logical place to start. If you look at a map the lab and the market are not adjacent

The lab does seem favourite as a source for the infection.

Whether it was released deliberately or accidentally is the real debate and with all the obscurity around it I don't think we'll ever have a definitive answer.

From what I can understand the Chinese are of the opinion that they ought to rule the world. I use the word rule in its widest possible sense. They are also of the opinion that the next war will not be won by conventional weapons. This produces an interest in computing and also other forms such as chemical/ viral.

Make of it what you will

For what its worth I'm of the opinion that covid was almost certainly lab produced. I'm unconvinced that that its release was deliberate but I do continue to wonder
 
Rishworthian said:
The lab does seem favourite as a source for the infection.
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there is no 'favourite', there is no smoking gun on it being lab or natural transfer, there is very little evidence to support either claim and obstacles for either claim to be correct.

Rishworthian said:
For what its worth I'm of the opinion that covid was almost certainly lab produced.
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we all have opinions, what matters more are facts and evidence which are in scant supply due to the complexity of the situation
 
To keep people happy it didn't start in China but on a Trump's golf course. He brought it in to stop the world buying Chinese goods and need American drugs companies. It's all Trump's fault; Covid, Brexit, those millions in Chinese jails, you know it makes sense.
 
Boro mart if you are expecting facts to emerge you may be waiting a long time.

The best you are likely to get are balances of probability - best guesses if you like

From everything I've seen and gleaned from whatever sources including those in China. I've given you my best guesses. You are entitled to be unconvinced they are only best guesses
 
Rishworthian said:
The best you are likely to get are balances of probability - best guesses if you like
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that's my point, nothing more than a guess, the problem is there are many people who benefit politically by sowing the seeds of blame on a foreign power. Which is why this conspiracy theory has got legs, it's a paid for theory.

There isn't even a balance of probability right now. Like I said earlier we all have opinions, but they're worth Jack S because there are no facts to back it up, or very few at least.
 
When I discovered that Huawei had put in the communications kit into the OAU building and then sent back all the days information during the quiet overnight period I stopped believing a lot of what they said. Hence my scepticism over their claims.

This influences my view on probability

Trusting the Chinese is probably a mistake
 
Boro Mart the other thing you seem to be doing is applying British standards of honesty and integrity to other nations

Experience tells us that this is not accurate
 
BoroMart said:
that's my point, nothing more than a guess, the problem is there are many people who benefit politically by sowing the seeds of blame on a foreign power. Which is why this conspiracy theory has got legs, it's a paid for theory.

There isn't even a balance of probability right now. Like I said earlier we all have opinions, but they're worth Jack S because there are no facts to back it up, or very few at least.
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This is how I feel so don't bother getting involved. The US are spending money on blaming the Chinese government. It doesn't mean they are not to blame but with no evidence the, paid for, conjecture shouldn't be taken at face value
 
BM politicians are not the standard by which nations and the beliefs and behaviors should be judged. I don't like career politicians of whatever nationality. Those who have had a proper job ( not the Editor of a magazine) and dealt with real people have a chance of being excluded from that definition.

I expect people to be honest with me. I am more cautious with those I have learnt have consistently fallen below the standards I expect.
 
Rishworthian said:
BM politicians are not the standard by which nations and the beliefs and behaviors should be judged. I don't like career politicians of whatever nationality. Those who have had a proper job ( not the Editor of a magazine) and dealt with real people have a chance of being excluded from that definition.

I expect people to be honest with me. I am more cautious with those I have learnt have consistently fallen below the standards I expect.
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governments aren't really politicians, they are the face of the government but the real government forces are behind the scenes
 
In truth, in the UK, the actual scope to change very much is not great with each Government change. So much is set in stone and covered by debt. You don't sound as though you think the civil service run the "show" However on a day to day basis they do

Who's running the show then Murdoch, the City or just Machiavellian forces ?
 
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