Relegation play-offs and an AllStar game

Ironops said:
Terrible idea! In 2021 Burnley finished 4th bottom 11 points clear of Fulham - yet they would have had to play extra games just to stay up? Imagine they get a dodgy refereeing decision or an unlucky bounce and lose the game, getting relegated while Fulham, who only got 28 points stayed up.

Utterly bonkers!
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A team marooned at the bottom would play their reserve team for the final few games in readiness for the knockout to come. Daft idea that won’t work.
 
Jedi boro said:
This how American sports fans think.

I was talking about the premier league in the us a few years ago with American friends who watch the prem a lot.

And my friends brother turns and say to me why isn’t there a play off competition at the end of the season.

I thought he was confused so I said we do have one to decide the last promotion spot and he stops me and says no.

I mean a play to decide the overall champion of the prem I said but it’s a league the winner is the one that wins the most games in a league.

But he says yes but imagine how great an 8 team play off would be after the league to decide the overall winner…,

He was really keen as were the other Americans in the bar.

I was completely lost as to why you’d need this but that’s how American sports fans think.

They want that final day show down.
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In fairness to Americans, they don't really have a league system like ours so Playoffs are needed. In our leagues everyone plays each other twice so you know by the end of the year which team was the best. In the NFL you play 16 games and the teams with the best records go to the playoffs. Due to different strengths of the divisions and schedules the team with the most wins isn't necessarily the best so they need a competition to determine that. They basically use a league as a competition for entry into another, our leagues are more comprehensive so don't require it.

When you think about it though, why do we have playoffs in the EFL? I think it is only so teams have something to play for otherwise 24 teams in a league for only 3 promotion spots and 3 relegation spots would leave lots of teams with nothing to play for by Xmas. Why is it fair that the 6th place team gets promoted and not the 3rd?
 
Nano said:
When you think about it though, why do we have playoffs in the EFL? I think it is only so teams have something to play for otherwise 24 teams in a league for only 3 promotion spots and 3 relegation spots would leave lots of teams with nothing to play for by Xmas. Why is it fair that the 6th place team gets promoted and not the 3rd?
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It's exactly why it was introduced.

I'm not against change, but, it has to have merits that outweigh any integrity damage, and shouldn't purely be for the sake of increasing revenue.
 
Must admit the championship play offs in American sports do my head in.

We have it in the Hockey over here, it's obviously not enough that a team has to play about half a million matches in the normal season.
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
A team marooned at the bottom would play their reserve team for the final few games in readiness for the knockout to come. Daft idea that won’t work.
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Thats exactly what would happen - sack off the last 5 games as the results are meaningless and roll the dice in the play offs
 
Think some posters are getting confused

Bohly's plan does not include any championship teams.

The bottom 4 in premier league play off, similar system as championship promotion playoff, with the winner staying up....other 3 go down.

Arguments about 4th bottom team been 'X' points above others, so it's unfair, is similar to championship play offs, when 6th placed team are 'X' points behind 3rd
 
Pear-Drops said:
Think some posters are getting confused

Bohly's plan does not include any championship teams.

The bottom 4 in premier league play off, similar system as championship promotion playoff, with the winner staying up....other 3 go down.

Arguments about 4th bottom team been 'X' points above others, so it's unfair, is similar to championship play offs, when 6th placed team are 'X' points behind 3rd
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3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th have to get results to keep their places.

20th, 19th, 18th and 17th could lose every single game in the season and still end up staying up.

It's a stupid idea.
 
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Pear-Drops said:
Think some posters are getting confused

Bohly's plan does not include any championship teams.

The bottom 4 in premier league play off, similar system as championship promotion playoff, with the winner staying up....other 3 go down.

Arguments about 4th bottom team been 'X' points above others, so it's unfair, is similar to championship play offs, when 6th placed team are 'X' points behind 3rd
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that isn't going to gain any traction. If it doesn't financially benefit the top 6 teams, they'll either abstain or vote against it.....and if it does, then why would the bottom teams accept increased jeopardy for the financial benefit of the top teams?

The bottom 2/3rd teams won't want to increase their jeopardy with an increase of even 5% of relegation, simply to get some play off income. Imagine trying to convince Villa, Brentford or Evertons chairmen that they could earn another 5m next season if they finish 4th bottom, but you also have a 25% chance of relegation. That isn't a gamble any of them would take.
 
Btw once the seed of change had been sewn to say the 4 team format then it’s a lot easier to make that last spot the play off winner for instance.
 
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changingman said:
Must admit the championship play offs in American sports do my head in.

We have it in the Hockey over here, it's obviously not enough that a team has to play about half a million matches in the normal season.
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Not just hockey mate all US sports have the play off style count down
 
Hockey All star games in the us as well as geographic lines ie north v south they also sometimes run on domestic v international as well.

So all us/Canada players v the rest of the world
 
The All-Star games in NFL are rubbish. Too much risk of injury so nobody tries. Like watching a training match. The best players aren't always there because the Superbowl teams are exempt. WE don't have an even North/South split and it would change every year with promotions/relegations, they don't have that problem.

The match itself is rubbish but I I like the idea of the selection of All Star teams in NFL. The best players from each position are competing against each other to make the team and being the best in your position means something but because of the way the salary cap works every team has potentially the best player in the league at a couple of positions. The PL would just be City, Liverpool, Utd vs Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs because they can horde all the best players.

TeaCider said:
3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th have to get results to keep their places.

20th, 19th, 18th and 17th could lose every single game in the season and still end up staying up.

It's a stupid idea.
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Playoffs for relegation would only make sense if it was like promotion and the bottom 2 were automatically relegated, the next 4 played off for the 3rd spot. Would never be approved though because as mentioned, it just increases risk. If it did happen then no doubt they'd change it so the loser played the Championship playoff winner which due to the gulf would be mich more likely to mean a 2 team promotion/relegation.

More likely would be the 3rd bottom team being included in the championship playoffs but I presume that would require the EFL teams to approve which is unlikely to happen although I'm sure the PL can throw just the right amount of money the EFLs way to convince enough clubs it is worth it.
 
America and word domination. There's no wonder Russia and China are paranoid, these parasites want to impose their tacky money obsessed culture on the rest of the world, and we lap it up.
 
Jedi boro said:
This how American sports fans think.

I was talking about the premier league in the us a few years ago with American friends who watch the prem a lot.

And my friends brother turns and say to me why isn’t there a play off competition at the end of the season.

I thought he was confused so I said we do have one to decide the last promotion spot and he stops me and says no.

I mean a play to decide the overall champion of the prem I said but it’s a league the winner is the one that wins the most games in a league.

But he says yes but imagine how great an 8 team play off would be after the league to decide the overall winner…,

He was really keen as were the other Americans in the bar.

I was completely lost as to why you’d need this but that’s how American sports fans think.

They want that final day show down.
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It’s what they do in Belgium meaning USG missed out on being crowned champions for the first time in years despite winning the league having lead it for most of the season. Terrible.

Plus all these extra games they (owners) want when they (managers) constantly harp on about too many games.

Sick the way greed has reduced the game / fans / competition integrity to an afterthought.
 
I like the idea of relegation play offs would add more jeopardy into the season. It would ensure teams in 13-16th couldn't coast through the last dozen or so games potentially.
 
Nano said:
Playoffs for relegation would only make sense if it was like promotion and the bottom 2 were automatically relegated, the next 4 played off for the 3rd spot.
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How do 4 teams play off for a relegation spot? Presumably the losing semi-finalists progress to a final rather than the winners. My head hurts just thinking about that as a concept!
 
WilliamMunny said:
How do 4 teams play off for a relegation spot? Presumably the losing semi-finalists progress to a final rather than the winners. My head hurts just thinking about that as a concept!
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It's 4 teams (17th, 18th, 19th and 20th) playing for 1 safety spot isn't it? So the winner of the play-off would stay up.
 
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