Reducing International aid.

Save your outrage for the amount spunked on dodgy contracts during this pandemic or something rather than attempts to pull people out of poverty and whatnot.
There is no outrage I can just follow the basic economic justification for the reduction, last year we exceeded our target by 100 million, next year we are reducing, a good rationale has been made for that and a pledge to return to the 0.7 per cent when affordable - I do find the dodgy contracts absolutely disgusting and I hope the gvt are held to account for that.
 
FatCat you keep going on about borrowing - Given that around 40% of all Govt debt is owed to the British Govt and the last rounds of Govt borrowing in the market have been at negative interest rates whats the problem?
I guess I just look at it in the same way I run my household, I do t subscribe to the logic oh I’m in this much debt so I will just borrow more to give to others. You yourself tighten your belt when times are hard ? and that’s all the gvt are doing whilst as mentioned still being very generous in comparison to other countries.
 
There is no outrage I can just follow the basic economic justification for the reduction, last year we exceeded our target by 100 million, next year we are reducing, a good rationale has been made for that and a pledge to return to the 0.7 per cent when affordable - I do find the dodgy contracts absolutely disgusting and I hope the gvt are held to account for that.
The most surprising issue is that you believe this government.
 
I guess I just look at it in the same way I run my household, I do t subscribe to the logic oh I’m in this much debt so I will just borrow more to give to others. You yourself tighten your belt when times are hard ? and that’s all the gvt are doing whilst as mentioned still being very generous in comparison to other countries.
I really cant be doing with this household debt/national debt analogy - Here is a handy cut and keep guide on why its nonsense

 
I really cant be doing with this household debt/national debt analogy - Here is a handy cut and keep guide on why its nonsense

By that argument we should just do away with the treasury and print money as much as we want. Doesn’t really work does it!
 
We should be ashamed from 0.7% to 0.5%

I listened to Merkel yesterday on contributing to the vaccine for the poorest countries, at the same time we slam it in their faces.
See also Germany.....https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.devex.com/news/germany-foreign-aid-and-the-elusive-0-7-95389/amp
 
I’m disappointed it’s not more. Sort poverty out in our own country first before we try and sort the rest of the worlds out.
There is absolutely no reason for poverty to exist in this country but we use a form of rationing which keeps those at the bottom struggling and willing to work for nothing. Hence, we have people in full time work who must nevertheless claim benefits and then we allow them enough to live on. Meanwhile we have what we laughingly call wealth creators who employ and underpay these people but award themselves obscene salaries and multi million pound bonuses which go straight into offshore accounts and are of no benefit to the country, the high street or the people they employ.
 
By that argument we should just do away with the treasury and print money as much as we want. Doesn’t really work does it!
That's exactly how it works. Currency issuing countries can and do print as much money as they want. The argument that we are racking up debt that our children and children's children will have to pay back is fallacy. The UK has never been out of debt for 300 years, we are continuously in the red and as you don't feel you are paying back what the country borrowed in your parents days, my children don't feel that burdon now. They just go to work, earn money and pay tax.
 
That's exactly how it works. Currency issuing countries can and do print as much money as they want. The argument that we are racking up debt that our children and children's children will have to pay back is fallacy. The UK has never been out of debt for 300 years, we are continuously in the red and as you don't feel you are paying back what the country borrowed in your parents days, my children don't feel that burdon now. They just go to work, earn money and pay tax.
Yes but there has to be an element of management of that otherwise the economy fails.
 
Yes but there has to be an element of management of that otherwise the economy fails.
Politicians equate the economy to household budgets for their own ends. Look how much currency Cameron and May got from that letter saying there's no money left. It was literally a joke but everybody fell in line. What does 'no money left' mean? it means we are in debt, as always. After the 2008 financial crash Gordon Brown literally created money which was used to buy up Government debt in the form of bonds. We owe the money to ourselves. As a result, in the run up to the 2010 general election, the UK enjoyed 15 months of unbroken growth. Then along came the election, Cameron brandished his "no money left' letter, announced that the poor would pay for the sins of he rich and hit us with totally unnecessary and ineffective austerity. We were then plunged into recession.

If you buy into the household budget spiel that there was no money left in 2008 then where are we now? The debt has doubled or more since then because austerity doesn't work, but in the meantime we have still endured a decade of punching down.
 
You've supported the policies that have lead to an increase in poverty in this country.
Not sure anyone that has supported the restrictions and lockdowns so vehemently this year is really in a position to complain about poverty nor be shocked when international aid gets cut. Seems a bit hypocritical to me when those restrictions haven’t just bankrupted businesses, ruined livelihoods and doubled unemployment in this country and forced people into poverty but also forced hundreds of millions more people into extreme poverty around the world according to the WHO. I’ve always been in favour of cutting international aid and using it to tackle poverty in this country, maybe Labour could put that in their next manifesto? We all know they won’t.
 
Not sure anyone that has supported the restrictions and lockdowns so vehemently this year is really in a position to complain about poverty nor be shocked when international aid gets cut. Seems a bit hypocritical to me when those restrictions haven’t just bankrupted businesses, ruined livelihoods and doubled unemployment in this country and forced people into poverty but also forced hundreds of millions more people into extreme poverty around the world according to the WHO. I’ve always been in favour of cutting international aid and using it to tackle poverty in this country, maybe Labour could put that in their next manifesto? We all know they won’t.

It is possible to give foreign aid and eradicate poverty in this country. It doesnt need to be a choice between the two
 
Cuttinv sud to the poorest countries in the world but finding billions more to kill people, welcome to brexit britian.
Sad that people think aid should be given depending on what part of the planet you were born, also small minded overseas aid aids us as well as the recipients
 
We should be ashamed from 0.7% to 0.5%

I listened to Merkel yesterday on contributing to the vaccine for the poorest countries, at the same time we slam it in their faces.
I'd heard that the vaccine was going to be given at cost to the poorest countries . That said I wish all aid was in the form of goods and services only.
 
Not sure anyone that has supported the restrictions and lockdowns so vehemently this year is really in a position to complain about poverty nor be shocked when international aid gets cut. Seems a bit hypocritical to me when those restrictions haven’t just bankrupted businesses, ruined livelihoods and doubled unemployment in this country and forced people into poverty but also forced hundreds of millions more people into extreme poverty around the world according to the WHO. I’ve always been in favour of cutting international aid and using it to tackle poverty in this country, maybe Labour could put that in their next manifesto? We all know they won’t.


We'd have been in a much better position to tackle the pandemic if Labour had been in power and public services hadn't been cut to bone. We'd have had a much better response to the pandemic if we had a government that acted with some integrity and purpose - and didn't lead us into a disastrous second lockdown weeks too late.

Blame Labour all you want - but it's the Tories that have been in power the last ten years. They set the aid target - put it in their manifesto 3 times - and now have reneged while making lives here worse.
 
BlindBoyGrunt succinctly framing the great con of our time (in my opinion). A duplication on such a grand scale that it has tainted nearly every decision, collective or individual, which has followed it.
 
Not sure anyone that has supported the restrictions and lockdowns so vehemently this year is really in a position to complain about poverty nor be shocked when international aid gets cut. Seems a bit hypocritical to me when those restrictions haven’t just bankrupted businesses, ruined livelihoods and doubled unemployment in this country and forced people into poverty but also forced hundreds of millions more people into extreme poverty around the world according to the WHO. I’ve always been in favour of cutting international aid and using it to tackle poverty in this country, maybe Labour could put that in their next manifesto? We all know they won’t.

You're not trying to compare temporary emergency measures to save lives to your long term support for policies resulting in an increase in poverty in the country, surely?
 
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