Red Faction - Ticket Price Statement

AcklamAngel said:
Wigan on Boxing Day was a sell out of 31048. Current capacity 34742, you’ll never see that many at the Riverside due to the amount of segregation. Poor attendances by visiting teams reduces the average attendance drastically, the average attendance will only go up if we reach the Premier League as most teams will bring on average 2500 to 3000 fans
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current capacity is nowhere near 34742 (i see that figure is quoted on wiki) maybe before the Big Screen and Media area was moved to back of the East Stand
 
r00fie1 said:
Because games like that and FA Cup runs are "one-offs".
People have priorities right now - with 17% food inflation and obscene electricity and gas bills.
If you think you prove loyalty by paying more for a football match, than feeding the kids and keeping warm - you must be on another planet.
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He never said any of that and I’m sure he never thought it either, nobody wants to see children freeze or starve but that isn’t what we are discussing, we are talking about the price of going to football matches which isn’t an essential expense. That being said we are still getting high attendances, over 26,000 at the last home game so the pricing really doesn’t come into it for me, people still go.
 
Facefuzz said:
Are you on a wind up as your post reads as though your being serious?
Raise season ticket prices to price of walk up price?
So I get to pay £500 in March for the following seasons football, without knowing what league we’ll be in, without knowing who we’ll sign in summer, without knowing whether or not we’ll be in a relegation fight by Christmas.
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Yes. Or are you a Boro fan only when the situation suits?

Season tickets don't need to be the same as walk-ups but the gap shouldn't be so big. Walk ups pay 50% more per game. That's massive.
 
Nano said:
I think season ticket costs should be higher so walk ups can be lower. Season ticket holders are being subsidised.
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I don't think that's true.

4k walk up customers can't subsidise 20k season ticket holders. It would make an insignificant difference to what ST holders pay.

The gap would need to be much larger for any meaningful subsidisation to take place.
 
Sexpom said:
He never said any of that and I’m sure he never thought it either, nobody wants to see children freeze or starve but that isn’t what we are discussing, we are talking about the price of going to football matches which isn’t an essential expense. That being said we are still getting high attendances, over 26,000 at the last home game so the pricing really doesn’t come into it for me, people still go.
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Thats exactly what Im saying.
Football doesnt live in a vacuum.
People have priorities.
If pricing "doesnt come into it" for you, then well done. You can obviously afford it.
If people cant see whats happening outside and understand the impact its having on families expendable income - they have to be blind.
Its not as if we are talking about "supply and demand" is it?
Theres lots of "supply" [seats] but about 66% demand.
Who`s losing out?
Its a buyers market.
The club have to recognise that.
 
Nano said:
No, I'm not. And clearly you are and fall into the "everyone should pay more so I don't have to" group that I mentioned.
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I don’t think like that but season card holders should pay a decent amount less. But I don’t agree that walk ups subsidise whatsoever.
 
r00fie1 said:
Thats exactly what Im saying.
Football doesnt live in a vacuum.
People have priorities.
If pricing "doesnt come into it" for you, then well done. You can obviously afford it.
If people cant see whats happening outsode and understand the impact its having on families expendable income - they have to be blind.
Its not as if we are talking about "supply and demand" is it?
Theres lots of "supply" [seats] but about 66% demand.
Who`s losing out?
Itys a buyers market.
The club have to recognise that.
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I have never said pricing doesn’t effect me, I have to save and prioritise what I do and don’t do so I can go to the football. Are you saying the riverside has 11000 empty seats every week because it doesn’t? People are attending more than ever in this cost of living crisis, it’s a moot argument.
 
r00fie1 said:
Because games like that and FA Cup runs are "one-offs".
People have priorities right now - with 17% food inflation and obscene electricity and gas bills.
If you think you prove loyalty by paying more for a football match, than feeding the kids and keeping warm - you must be on another planet.
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I haven’t said anything about “proving loyalty”.

Watching top level football is not a god given right, it’s an expensive business. We have a lad in goal earning £4m a year.

Times are hard for a lot of people. If you can’t afford the cinema, stick a DVD on.

If you can’t afford Man Utd, watch Boro. If you can’t afford Boro, watch Guisy Town (£5 in). If you can’t afford Guisy Town, watch Great Ayton (£0 in)
 
Chappy112 said:
Who should pay what? All clubs are in the same position, Boro fans are already charged more than anyone else. You're continually ignoring this to make some point about wider football which is irrelevant. There is no reason why Middlesbrough needs to be at the top of the price chart compared to everyone else, we should not need to be charged the most just to compete, if we do then the club is poorly operated.

Why can Blackburn, Millwall and Luton all charge way less than we do for tickets and have less than 15k through the gates yet are very competitive in this league, but Boro must raise the prices because how will they ever compete?
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The conclusion is the club is poorly operated as even with higher prices we don't cover the cost. So the club either reduce operating costs and risks that come with that or increase the price to a level that will pay for it's self and the risk that comes with that. Which one should we do and how should it be done taking into acccount all the variables? If we do nothing someone has to foot the bill to stay in existence. This tread was started because it seems SG is thinking that those who attend, need to contribute a bit more in realtion to the actual cost. I'm sure SG like every other owner has considered all the options, and they are probably all unpalatable, but he considers this the best option, I don't think he is setting out to deliberately fleece people of their money, I'm sure if you or anyone else has as sure fire way of squaring the circle, he wil be delighted to know how he could do it. I'm not in favour of high prices or price increases, but from a business sense with all the complexities and expectations I'm at a loss as to how this can be done, other than good fortune for a period of time.
 
So there is an argument to maximise revenue by increasing walk up prices, which is apparently fine.....otherwise we will end up in the conference.

But putting Season Tickets up, say, £100 - remember thats ONLY £2 every week, every ST holder can afford that as they can budget better than non ST holders - so we will buy better players.

Seems fair? 20k X £100 = extra £2m.

Walk ups of, say, 4k......£2 game, 23 home games a season = £207k season.

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Just look at Hartlepool and Harrogate's walk up prices in League Two but they don't have a 30k+ stadium to fill

Hartlepool tried cheap season tickets depending on how many were sold, this didn't turn out to be a very good business model but did increase matchday revenue with larger crowds through the gates

Bradford have the same idea (cheap season tickets) as they have a 25k+ stadium to fill in League Two

Even Huddersfield were offering cheap Season Cards once they were relegated from the Prem
 
Alexander Supertramp said:
I haven’t said anything about “proving loyalty”.

Watching top level football is not a god given right, it’s an expensive business. We have a lad in goal earning £4m a year.

Times are hard for a lot of people. If you can’t afford the cinema, stick a DVD on.

If you can’t afford Man Utd, watch Boro. If you can’t afford Boro, watch Guisy Town (£5 in). If you can’t afford Guisy Town, watch Great Ayton (£0 in)
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Great - step down the ladder until your heads just above the water line.
Tosh.
 
Sexpom said:
I have never said pricing doesn’t effect me, I have to save and prioritise what I do and don’t do so I can go to the football. Are you saying the riverside has 11000 empty seats every week because it doesn’t? People are attending more than ever in this cost of living crisis, it’s a moot argument.
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"over 26,000 at the last home game so the pricing really doesn’t come into it for me.."?
Perhaps you need to make that clearer then.
 
Alexander Supertramp said:
It’s not tosh at all, it’s called living within your means. Prioritising expenditure. Budgeting. Saving.
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Well done.
So the club need to pay their bills too and will create resistance to sales by out-pricing fans.
Great business model.
Perhaps they should take your advice and look at what theyve been wasting in recent years?
 
r00fie1 said:
"over 26,000 at the last home game so the pricing really doesn’t come into it for me.."?
Perhaps you need to make that clearer then.
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Come into it as in the argument that nobody can afford it and prices need to drop, people can afford it obviously.
 
Alexander Supertramp said:
It’s not tosh at all, it’s called living within your means. Prioritising expenditure. Budgeting. Saving.
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What happens when outgoings exceed incomings? Loyal fans who have been going for years, who through no fault of their own, now can't afford it so can do one. You do realise household bills, mortgages have rocked over the last 12-18 months?
 
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