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I see the mainstream are finally admitting over half of people never have symptoms..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-with-covid-19-have-no-idea-they-are-infected

I took crap for reporting it months ago on here from the usual suspects.

On top of that it's being widely reported now that lockdown restrictions are causing deaths in care homes because the dementia patients are understandably deteriorating when they can't see people.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...-homes-over-fears-for-residents-mental-health

Again I said this weeks ago to be told no it's clearly covid.
 
Think Jonny is stating that loads of infected people are not staying at home. Would it be impossible to set up a system to test everyone? Haven't they done mass testing in China for example.Why can't we do it?
Thats exactly my point - the fact we were too slow to organise contact tracing, before the virus actually spread beyond what was manageable was a huge flaw in our response, because it seems that around 40% or more of cases are asymptomatic.

And even now we're still some way from an effective testing regime.
 
I see the mainstream are finally admitting over half of people never have symptoms..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-with-covid-19-have-no-idea-they-are-infected

I took crap for reporting it months ago on here from the usual suspects.

On top of that it's being widely reported now that lockdown restrictions are causing deaths in care homes because the dementia patients are understandably deteriorating when they can't see people.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...-homes-over-fears-for-residents-mental-health

Again I said this weeks ago to be told no it's clearly covid.

i take your word for it you were saying these things but do you accept that the reason we have so many deaths in care homes is not because they have been in lockdown but because they were not locked down quickly enough?
 
i take your word for it you were saying these things but do you accept that the reason we have so many deaths in care homes is not because they have been in lockdown but because they were not locked down quickly enough?
Thats one of the reasons, but the fact that patients have been moved from hospitals into care homes, without being tested is another, as is the fact that many asymptomatic staff will also have spread the virus into these settings too.
 
i take your word for it you were saying these things but do you accept that the reason we have so many deaths in care homes is not because they have been in lockdown but because they were not locked down quickly enough?

See what Jonny wrote.. I don't think lockdown has done anything as it's been implemented here or in Spain or in Italy. It's just caused more sadness, fear and soon absolute poverty.

Care homes for sure should have been protected better but do I know how? No.
 
It can be argued that if 50% of those with the virus don't know they have it - then lock down for everyone is more required.

There were people laughing on the news yesterday when asked about keeping 2m away from others on Bournemouth beach which was heaving with people. When the virus comes back in bigger numbers than March/April will they be laughing? There is still probably 90% of the UK population who have not had the virus. So potentially the 60,000 current dead could easily climb above 250,000 before we reach herd immunity and/or vaccine.
 
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I see the mainstream are finally admitting over half of people never have symptoms..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-with-covid-19-have-no-idea-they-are-infected

I took crap for reporting it months ago on here from the usual suspects.
I'm not sure what you're on about here, it had been reported in the media (whether "mainstream" or any other kind) from very early on that many cases were asymptomatic.

For instance:
In late January, Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and a member of President Donald Trump’s coronavirus task force, told CNN, “There’s no doubt after reading this paper that asymptomatic transmission is occurring.”

I also don't recall people on here giving you crap about saying this although of course I may have missed them doing so and if you have examples, I'll be happy to retract.
 
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Thats exactly my point - the fact we were too slow to organise contact tracing, before the virus actually spread beyond what was manageable was a huge flaw in our response, because it seems that around 40% or more of cases are asymptomatic.

And even now we're still some way from an effective testing regime.

We weren't too slow. We just abandoned it because the strategy became to go for herd immunity (however much they deny it). By the time they realised the likely death toll from that and changed tack it was too late.
 
I'm not sure what you're on about here, it had been reported in the media (whether "mainstream" or any other kind) from very early on that many cases were asymptomatic.

For instance:


I also don't recall people on here giving you crap about saying this although of course I may have missed them doing so and if you have examples, I'll be happy to retract.

It's the % number that's important.. and I definitely got told no your wrong not 50% are asymptomatic repeatedly I'm not going to dig it out because I'm not that bothered. All you want to do is deflect any way.
 
See what Jonny wrote.. I don't think lockdown has done anything as it's been implemented here or in Spain or in Italy. It's just caused more sadness, fear and soon absolute poverty.

Care homes for sure should have been protected better but do I know how? No.

You only haveto look at New Zealand to see how they should have been better protected. Too late once you lock down too late and we are paying for the consequences. We should have moved earlier. I refer back to that week before lockdown, Cheltenham, pubs , Anfield etc etc. We condemned those care homes that week I’m afraid.
 
You only haveto look at New Zealand to see how they should have been better protected. Too late once you lock down too late and we are paying for the consequences. We should have moved earlier. I refer back to that week before lockdown, Cheltenham, pubs , Anfield etc etc. We condemned those care homes that week I’m afraid.
Sounds like you are blaming care workers for the spread of the virus in care homes? So on that basis are we blaming hospital staff for the spread in hospitals?
 
It's the % number that's important.. and I definitely got told no your wrong not 50% are asymptomatic repeatedly I'm not going to dig it out because I'm not that bothered. All you want to do is deflect any way.

My main point was the unsupported claim that the "mainstream media" was only now, finally admitting the relatively high level of asymptomatic cases, when it was actually something they had been reporting on for months.* I pointed out the error of that claim. I'm not sure how that qualifies as "deflecting."

*For instance, even the article you linked to, mentioned the following bits of evidence, all of which were widely reported on at the time, in numerous media outlets:
One study in the Italian town of Vo reported that 43% of the town’s cases of Covid-19 were asymptomatic, while initial reports from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention investigation into the spread of Covid-19 on the Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier in March, suggest that as many as 58% of cases were asymptomatic. Some 48% of the 1,046 cases of Covid-19 on the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier proved to be asymptomatic while, of the 712 people who tested positive for Covid-19 on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, 46% had no symptoms.
 
Sounds like you are blaming care workers for the spread of the virus in care homes? So on that basis are we blaming hospital staff for the spread in hospitals?
Randy that is not how I read the response. I think Zoo was saying that allowing mass gatherings to go ahead, some from badly hit areas of europe, lead to a huge spike in cases in the UK, reduced the time the government had to react and cost lives.
 
I am fairly sure I had it in January in that case- I had none of the symptoms ;)

The care home decisions will be reviewed at length in the coming years. Decisions can be reviewed in retrospect and some will seem criminal, even though at the time they were following normal practice. If someone has a UTI in hospital, and recovers they will go back to their home setting. Unfortunately not everyone in hospital was checked for COVID if it wasnt suspected in the early days. And in the early days if COVID wasn't suspected PPE wasnt used by hospital staff- leading to more deaths on low risk wards than high risk ITUs for care staff.

A recent study at Addenbrookes hospital had 4% of staff who were working as positive. 1% had returned to work following the isolation period I believe, and 1% had symptoms, but not the key isolation symptoms that would warrant being away from work.

50% asymptomatic is going to be a challenge to manage without adequate testing. Unless you see a positive test in front of you, are you going to consider isolating if you have been in contact with someone? Especially if your finances depend on it?
 
My main point was the unsupported claim that the "mainstream media" was only now, finally admitting the relatively high level of asymptomatic cases, when it was actually something they had been reporting on for months.* I pointed out the error of that claim. I'm not sure how that qualifies as "deflecting."

*For instance, even the article you linked to, mentioned the following bits of evidence, all of which were widely reported on at the time, in numerous media outlets:

No they weren't widely reported at all, the article I posted was from two days ago where they are retrospectively changing their stance because they've been found out / let off the leash.

You just keep going round in circles.. send me these widely reported articles from march.. send me just 5 (a low bar) otherwise we will just have to disagree.

The articles should state within them that approx 50% of people have no symptoms and never develop symptoms.
 
I have always been under the impression that a vast number of cases were asymptomatic. Not sure where I read that, but probably in multiple places.
 
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