Petition to have the Ref sacked

futureboy said:
I don't believe I said that there was. But there was certainly a breach of the rules of football, compounded by the officials' demonstrable failure to apply said rules, and you appear to think that "moving on" is preferable to punishing those at fault, so I was simply applying your theory in a similar context. Yes, I drove too fast and crashed into your car, and the police drove past and did nothing, but let's move on.
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Wrong analogy. You and someone else are in an organised car race, and you crash. The police aren't involved (unless you get out of the car and punch the guy's lights out).
 
Soutra said:
No it doesn't. People still complain about fractional offsides, offside interpretations, penalties given or not given. With VAR, we'll just hear the same old sob stories about people being biased, incompetent or corrupt.
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And we'll still have to watch 22 players trying to cheat for 90 minutes every Saturday.
 
The ref missed it. The 'assault' makes it far worse. We basically got triple hit as in no pen/no sending off and also losing a decent player and having to replace him with an 18 year old.

That said it's reading very much like a normal Monday morning on twitter. Liverpool and UTD complaining about everything. We have to move on as its over.

The more concerning issue is two home defeats without scoring against pretty poor teams.
 

futureboy said:
Giving a penalty and red card might make players think about their actions and prevent it from happening to others in future.
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Players are already aware that dangerous play like we saw yesterday is a red card offence, dangerous play does occasionally occur though. Yesterday the referee missed it.
 
Of course it was a red card offence, we lost our centre half to injury, their guy continued playing as if nothing had happened and we didn’t get a penalty either?

And some on here are complaining that one or two of us might just have a little bit of problem with that?

I apologise but I’ve got more blood running through my veins than that.

‘Get over it and move on’.

The crooks, the thieves, the bandits and the bully boys love that phrase.
 
HolgateCorner said:
Of course it was a red card offence, we lost our centre half to injury, their guy continued playing as if nothing had happened and we didn’t get a penalty either?

And some on here are complaining that one or two of us might just have a little bit of problem with that?

I apologise but I’ve got more blood running through my veins than that.

‘Get over it and move on’.

The crooks, the thieves, the bandits and the bully boys love that phrase.
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Agree totally. I wonder if this had been, say, a Lampard or a Mourinho, instead of Mowbray, would these fans telling us to 'get over it' would be so bullish.
 
RavsDad said:
How many times are you watching a match and a tackle which may or may not be intentional causes blood to be showing on a player? Then the referee - who has not shown a card at this point - leans over the injured player, sees the blood and immediately reaches for the red card. As if - "I've seen the proof". That is what he could have done yesterday. There was never the slightest doubt that Fry's injury was caused by anything boot an illegally high boot.
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The Gaston incident against Brighton springs to mind.

The match officiating in the Football league needs a complete overall. Some of the decisions made most weeks are mind boggling. I dread to think what it must be like in the lower divisions! However, how can any changes be made when we are living in a time whereby a Premier League referee can have a bad game so his punishment is to spend a weekend refereeing a game in the Championship! How on earth can that be fair to clubs in the Championship!
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Petitions are pathetic. They're meant to show a depth of feeling, but show the opposite. "I feel so strongly about this I am prepared to TYPE MY NAME OUT". That's really sticking it to the man.
A petition calling for someone to be sacked is doubly pathetic.
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Spot on. Creating a culture where people are sacked for making mistakes isn't the way to improve things.
 
Centralscrutinizer said:
Spot on. Creating a culture where people are sacked for making mistakes isn't the way to improve things.
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Depends on the magnitude of the incompetence/mistake. Its called Accountability.

as in " a lack of accountability has corroded fans and players respect for referees and football leaders"
 
TheBlueButterfly said:
However, how can any changes be made when we are living in a time whereby a Premier League referee can have a bad game so his punishment is to spend a weekend refereeing a game in the Championship! How on earth can that be fair to clubs in the Championship!
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Someone suggested that to Jeff Winter on Twitter last night and his response was something along the lines of "well, if your club's players aren't good enough to be in the PL, why should the refs be?"

I'm saying that from memory, because I can't see the tweet any more - I responded and was promptly blocked by Jeff. His dynamic is slightly odd - he seems to be OK with criticising officials himself, but gets very defensive when fans do it.
 
futureboy said:
Someone suggested that to Jeff Winter on Twitter last night and his response was something along the lines of "well, if your club's players aren't good enough to be in the PL, why should the refs be?"

I'm saying that from memory, because I can't see the tweet any more - I responded and was promptly blocked by Jeff. His dynamic is slightly odd - he seems to be OK with criticising officials himself, but gets very defensive when fans do it.
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There is something particularly strange about this decision though because of the injury sustained from a player trying to kick the ball at head height in the penalty area where the custom and practice of the game is that you try to head the ball in that situation. Maybe that will be the refs defence that he didn’t realise it was a kick just assuming it was a clash of heads.

I must admit, putting the ref to one side, I do wonder if the lad who did it has some kind of difficulties, in over 50 years of watching and playing football I have never seen a defender try to clear a ball like that in his own penalty area. It would take a certain person to not instinctively know that you were endangering somebody’s head by trying to kick the ball at that height. It is much more dangerous than a foul at leg level.

Imagine if he had kicked Harry Maguire in the face at Old Trafford??

There is something funny going on with refs though, the decisions are getting more and more bizarre. I remember years ago you would get mistakes with offsides, or penalties not given, but nothing like it is now, and it’s not just for us it is across the board.
 
I have to say that the idea of creating a petition to have the Ref 'sacked' is about as daft as it gets.

He made a mistake, of course and a pretty bad one at that, but would our fans be as vocal had the deceion been the other way round.

Footballs an emotive subject, but this is just plain silly.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
I have to say that the idea of creating a petition to have the Ref 'sacked' is about as daft as it gets.

He made a mistake, of course and a pretty bad one at that, but would our fans be as vocal had the deceion been the other way round.

Footballs an emotive subject, but this is just plain silly.
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I think the thread has moved on a long time ago from the petition bit.

And it’s been an interesting thread with some of the views posted.

Despite what a few have posted I personally think it’s better to have a debate than just go away quietly with our tails between our legs when one of our own Boro players has nearly had his head kicked off playing for our team.

If we aren’t going to stick up for our own players and their welfare then you can bet your life that nobody else will.
 
HolgateCorner said:
I think the thread has moved on a long time ago from the petition bit.

And it’s been an interesting thread with some of the views posted.

Despite what a few have posted I personally think it’s better to have a debate than just go away quietly with our tails between our legs when one of our own Boro players has nearly had his head kicked off playing for our team.

If we aren’t going to stick up for our own players and their welfare then you can bet your life that nobody else will.
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Ha ha, couldn't be bothered to read the four pages of posts before replying. Debate is always a good thing if it improves standards, but sacking him is not the answer - accountability doesn't have to equate to his sacking.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
Ha ha, couldn't be bothered to read the four pages of posts before replying. Debate is always a good thing if it improves standards, but sacking him is not the answer - accountability doesn't have to equate to his sacking.
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I agree with you unless there is corruption involved of course and I wouldn’t rule that out.

The problem with refs accountability is that it is all behind closed doors, until it is more transparent then the frustrations will mount.

I‘m a big football fan, I will watch any football, and I’m finding the likes of the Northern League becoming increasingly attractive compared to what is going on in the professional leagues. Something is very wrong.
 
Sunday was the latest in a long long line of really poor refereeing in this league. I don't think there's anything anti-Boro related about it, I think all teams get ridiculous decisions against them most weekends of the season throughout the football league.

But there's just a malaise at the EFL over the officials, no visible accountability and no transparency.

Every team in this league in every match is up against another 11 men, as well as a team of officials that are inconsistent, unpredictable, physically out of shape for this high paced league, and not mentally tough enough. I think the lack of fans and the fact that most games at the moment are played in a strange behind closed doors atmosphere is making refs rest on their laurels too.

They lose grips of games easily (see our Forest game the other night or the Watford/Bournemouth match), they don't keep up with play, and they wind players up with the inconsistency. And then they saunter off to the next fixture to cause mayhem.

Someone said upthread that when they hear of an official being assaulted they think 'he probably deserved it'. I have to agree that I usually think something similar. Every few years there's another campaign for sunday league players, coaches, crowds etc to 'respect the game' and stop abusing volunteer referees. Absolutely 100% agree with this. It's just a shame the shambolic EFL don't 'respect the game' by holding their own officials to a higher standard.
 
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